What could have been with Jackson· Page 5

dfosterf
Veteran Member

14 years ago

As a 3rd down blocker/receiver, I'd rate him above Grant and Starks at this time. But as the primary (1st/2nd down) running back, I'd have to rank him (carrying the ball) below Grant and probably Starks, though I want to see Starks do it in more than one game.

Jackson's run 136 times for 527 yds. He got 13% of those yards (71) on one play against Washington. With that one run he's averaging less than 4 yds per carry, and if you subtract that one run out he's averaging less than 3.4 yds per carry.

"macbob" wrote:

Take out Grand or AP big runs and see where they lie.

"Greg C." wrote:

Yeah, I agree--take out anybody's successful plays, and the rest of their plays don't look nearly as good. But it was one run. The entire rest of the season hasn't looked so good.

I'm not bashing Jackson. Just giving my opinion. As a runner, I haven't been impressed with him and would rate him 3rd and would go with Grant or Starks first. As a receiver, I'd want Jackson.

"macbob" wrote:

Exactly, I hate that argument when it relates to a small sample size (like only 1 game) but compared to an entire seasons worth of plays IMO it's valid. When 13% of a starting running backs yards for the ENTIRE SEASON come off of 1 run that is very bad.

"Greg C." wrote:

What's so bad about 13%? That statistic means nothing. Where do people come up with this stuff?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that long runs are a GOOD thing? Long runs are what really force defenses to honor the running game. One of Jackson's biggest shortcomings is that he doesn't break ENOUGH long runs, yet people continually use his longest run (his BEST run) in order to discredit him. I don't get it.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

Greg-that was my point. It was 1 run. In 12 games. Other than that, pedestrian production.

Nothing special other than 1 stinking run. When you say he doesn't break enough runs, you're saying the same thing.

"macbob" wrote:

I agree with you 100%. I don't think Jackson has been a very good #1 back. My reply was directed at Stevetarded. My point was that if you are arguing that an RB is not very good, it is nonsense to manipulate the numbers in such a way that you try to turn his longest carry into a liability.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

Unfortunately, I was the one who started the 13% nonsense. The point which I was trying to make (obviously poorly) was that outside of that one run, he hadn't done a lot.

"macbob" wrote:

This line of reasoning is starting to look like a tunnel. Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

Pack93z
Select Member

14 years ago

#42

At least the quote boxes here can be followed.. unlike those at the PPO. My Gawd is it difficult there to follow a nested quote.

Anyway.. I think some are missing the point of removing the lone high abnormality just to reaffirm the rest of his body of work.. which is remarkably consistent but not to our advantage.

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Stevetarded
Registered

14 years ago

#43

"Greg C." wrote:

Take out Grand or AP big runs and see where they lie.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

"macbob" wrote:

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

"macbob" wrote:

You just don't get it. Nobody is saying take away his big run. We are saying that it isn't a good thing when 1 play (out of 136) represents that BIG of a margin of your production. (meaning you've done jack shit the rest of the season.) That run wasn't even a TD, all it represents is he was extremely helpful on 1 play on 1 drive in 1 game. What about the rest of the games?

Long runs only force the defense to honor the running game if you have them with some sort of consistency. 1/136 is not very consistent. It isn't that Jackson doesn't break "enough" long runs it's that he really doesn't break ANY. Just 1 freaking run after an entire season being the starter.

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Greg C.
Registered

14 years ago

#44

"pack93z" wrote:

But "abnormalities" count. I'm not giving an inch on this one. If the stats don't support your argument as well as you would like, you shouldn't just make up your own stats.

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Pack93z
Select Member

14 years ago

#45

I don't think they are trying to change the stats.. more or less highlight the one carry to the rest and its impact.

Of course at the end of the day.. it counts as one of the carries.

I should dig into my old statistics books from college (what a dry class) and pull out what they call normalizing the statistics with culling equal amounts form the high and low end of the pool.. the ones that are abnormal from the rest. (Queue Nonstop doing a google, speed reading the page and then talking upon the subject with expertise. 🙂 )

Example.. removing his 71 and his worst negative run to balance out the normals of the stat pool.

But I care less. even with that carry his numbers are not impressive and I am not looking for a fight on this small issue, especially on something stat related.. as I think they are over valued for the most part.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#46

Brandon Jackson is afraid to hit the hole full speed. That translates into nothing to brag about in my eyes.

macbob
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#47

Basically, the thread has degenerated into a discussion of how I (poorly) made a point. Personally, I'm abandoning this thread, never to darken it's door again, for more enjoyable reading in other threads.

TTFN...

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#48

"macbob" wrote:

:idea: :twisted:

dfosterf
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#49

"macbob" wrote:

Your argument was legitimate, personally I wouldn't sweat it, but that's just me.

peteralan71
Registered

14 years ago

#50

"dfosterf" wrote:

Take out Grand or AP big runs and see where they lie.

"macbob" wrote:

"Greg C." wrote:

"macbob" wrote:

"Greg C." wrote:

"Stevetarded" wrote:

"macbob" wrote:

Unfortunately, I was the one who started the 13% nonsense. The point which I was trying to make (obviously poorly) was that outside of that one run, he hadn't done a lot.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

This line of reasoning is starting to look like a tunnel. Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

"macbob" wrote:

LOL!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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