This is in danger of getting philosophical, but my point was that because it's impossible to really know who somebody is, we can only judge them by their actions.

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FYI - Vick may never get big endorsements. He'll never get a corporate job. It's in his best interest to play in the NFL as long as he can as this is it. He won't exactly land a job in Hollywood as the animal rights people will physically block his appearances (I'm being serious here).

I'm not condoning what he did at all. There are times, especially when I'm stuck in traffic and some asswipe almost kills me or the guy in front of me, where I like dogs better than people.

But I'm under the impression the intent of this thread is about his ability, not his character. I'm sure I won't like the guy in person if I knew him. I'm only talking about his ability.

I can't believe what I'm seeing. My Raiders buddy here and I always joked that Michael Vick couldn't hit the side of a barn even if someone painted a big black X on it. Yet all of a sudden, he's the most accurate QB in the NFL. I'm wondering if this is really Michael Vick or some alien doppleganger. He runs like Michael Vick, yet he passes like '09 Brett Favre. WTF?

As the guy who wrote the "Michael Vick is not an elite QB" thread, I'm more confused than you are.

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Well, there's something to be said for encouraging small-breasted women to wear low cut dresses. :)

Which, ISTM, is Paris Hilton's only virtue.

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True. I will give her that.

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ahhh...now i see what you were saying. clearly i took it in a vastly different direction. my apologies.

and uh kev - you can say i'm nuts all i want but i feel how i feel. if you really read what i was saying, you'd realize that we actually feel the same way but we're approaching it from two different viewpoints.

i certainly wouldn't encourage my kids to worship a pro football player but i know MANY who do. since i'm in illinois, brian urlacher comes to mind right away - now THERE'S a class act - NOT!!

i AM both!! 😉

I think we should all trane our daughters in the Anna Nicole Smith mode. Gold dig off a gozillioner. Hell she gave that old bastard much more pleasure than those pantywaiste children of his. Anna Nicole is a true American success story, she maximized the gifts that the good lord gave her, and all the while giving self righteous assholes the bird.

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I'm going to leave Illy for you perverts to fight over like a piece of meat. She's too young for me.

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I thought the same thing, but ...

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How proud every parent would be when they saw their daughter on video, drugged up and face painted like a clown.