coltonja
14 years ago

It would be ber if GB met Miami in the SB and Rodgers throws the winning TD to Jennings over Harris.

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why would that be "ber"?
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
Maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm being an asshole, but Al was one of those players that I always took what he said with a grain of salt. I'm not convinced that he is able to see things for what they are all the time. Usually when something like this is brought to light we get somewhat of a he said/he said, and we have to piece it together to figure out something close to the truth, recognizing that neither side is able to tell it exactly like it is. With Ted Thompson, this doesn't happen, because he never says anything. So we have to take Al at his word. Well, I'm sorry, but I just can't do that. Al is a very emotional and very positive-minded guy, so I think there is a better than fair chance that he may have missed some signals and/or remembered things a little differently than they actually were. I take him to be someone who hears what he wants to hear, and sees what he wants to see. I'm not saying that he definitely did, but there is enough of a question in my mind to not get all pissed off at Thompson based on what Al tells us.
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14 years ago

It would be ber if GB met Miami in the SB and Rodgers throws the winning TD to Jennings over Harris.

"coltonja" wrote:



why would that be "ber"?

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1. GB is in the SB.
2. GB wins the SB.
3. I do like Harris and as a reward for all his years of service I wouldn't mind seeing him make the SB.
4. In the end the pass that wins the game for GB is defended by him.
5. Greg makes the winning catch.

Are 5 reasons enough or should I come up with more in order to qualify as being ber?
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
Let me see if I've got this right; Harris loses the Super Bowl. To the team that cut him. On a pass that he gets beaten on. And not only would this not be a huge kick in his nuts, it would be a reward for him?
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14 years ago

Let me see if I've got this right; Harris loses the Super Bowl. To the team that cut him. On a pass that he gets beaten on. And not only would this not be a huge kick in his nuts, it would be a reward for him?

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Bozz Bozz Bozz, the reward is GETTING to the SB. Why on earth would I want him to win the SB if he was playing GB?

The winning TD over him is to give him the chance to rise up and be a hero. That he didn't proves to him that he can't outplay Gregorious-Rodgers.
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coltonja
14 years ago
why don't you just say we win the Super Bowl with a great catch by Greg Jennings over a DB that isn't loved in Green Bay. If you're making up a great scenario it would be nice to leave out such a great and loyal player like Al Harris.
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14 years ago

why don't you just say we win the Super Bowl with a great catch by Greg Jennings over a DB that isn't loved in Green Bay. If you're making up a great scenario it would be nice to leave out such a great and loyal player like Al Harris.

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This is my story. You do what you want.
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djcubez
14 years ago

I have no real problem with releasing Harris. It's sad in that particular way that releasing a long-time veteran is always sad. But unless you're willing to do a Jim Brown or Barry Sanders, no one gets to choose when he leaves the team.

But that said, it definitely sounds like the Packers could have handled things better. The fact that "it is time" doesn't change the fact that how you terminate should matter to you.

I look at the quotes from McCarthy, and Harris describing what Thompson/McCarthy did/didn't do, and I see the kind of manager/boss that drives me nuts. The person who treats people as machines in an industrial process.

If Harris has to go to Thompson's box and confront him before Thompson admits what's happening, what does that say about how Thompson and McCarthy view their employees?

If you're going to be a manager, at some point you're going to have to let people go. That's part of your job. But how you approach that letting go reveals something about you as a person.

If Vandermause has the facts right here, IMO the manner of this release does not reflect very well on Thompson/McCarthy.

Sentimentality is not needed. But neither is treating a long-time valuable employee like a worn-out machine.

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But that's how the NFL operates Wade. When you're a GM you spend a lot of time evaluating players, cutting players and signing players. In TT's career how many players do you think he's told to pack their things? He's probably made a routine of it.

In this instance I see it as the Pack protecting their back. Harris openly said that if he knew they were planning to release him he wouldn't have practiced or studied the gameplan. If that's the case why would they have even kept Harris on the PUP and paid him his salary when they could have just reached a settlement in the off-season? If Shields, Woodson or Tramon, Lee, Bush or Underwood went down with an injury Harris would still be here.

I also don't like to get involved with the media and press "he said, she said" business. We're obviously never going to know exactly how this went down so speculating and drawing conclusions isn't really doing anyone any good.
Pack93z
14 years ago
The $ aspect of the move..

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Friday-new-and-note-1727.html 

Packers save on Harris

This weeks release of longtime Packer Al Harris by the team illustrates a couple interesting money issues.

As a vested veteran, Harris would normally be entitled to termination pay the balance of his salary upon release by the Packers. However, since Harris started the season on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list, he is not entitled to termination pay and the remaining balance of his $2.5 million salary ($1.18 million). Thus, the Packers, who acquired Harris in 2003 from the Eagles, have no further financial obligation to Harris.

Harris received his weekly paycheck of $147,000 (1/17th of his $2.5 million 2010 salary) from the Packers through the first nine weeks of the season. However, since he was never active for a game, he did not receive any of the $62,500 per game 45-man active roster bonuses (up to a maximum of $1 million for all 16 games). In his deal for the rest of the season with the Dolphins, Harris will earn about that same $147,000 amount per week should he now earn similar 45-man active roster bonuses on top of his salary.

I first inserted 45-man active roster bonuses in 2006 in deals with Ahman Green and Charles Woodson, both coming off seasons curtailed by injury. The Packers and many other teams now use the structure in all veteran contracts. It also is a way of dealing with players grumbling about new contracts, providing easily earned incentive money as long as the player was active and a compromise between tearing up their contracts and giving them new ones as they wished and doing nothing.

The one unanticipated problem with these clauses was at the end of the season when we had clinched playoff berths and coach Mike McCarthy unaware of these clauses decided to rest some starters who were otherwise healthy. Players and their agents were rumbling about those roster bonuses and we had to renegotiate a couple deals to make these players whole.


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peteralan71
14 years ago
I feel bad for the guy but I don't see what the Packers really did wrong here. Yes, he has given the Packers many good yeras, but I just don't understand why some people get so stuck on "He deserves better than that" type of attitudes. He played hard for the Packers, and they paid him well. Same thing that happened with Favre. Beyond that, I don't believe the team owes them anything. They make a decision that is best for the team. It is a business. You know that. Suck it up. AND thank you for your great play over the years 🙂
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