14 years ago
While I am very hopeful, I have heard that line about him being almost ready too often for a rookie.
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djcubez
14 years ago

I agree with most of your assessment but the guy has been attending meetings. Since he's not on the field he's had more time to study the playbook and get to know the offense. I wouldn't expect anything from him in the first few weeks after he comes back but maybe later in the season. Plus, coming in as a RB has to be one of the easier positions to adjust to--for the most part you just get the ball and run. The hard part is picking up blitzes and knowing what to do on pass plays.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:




I just do not think attending meetings makes up for the fact he has a grand total of zero reps in our system. He may have had this time to get the playbook open and study it, but that does not mean he has been able to focus on some of the more physical aspects of practice (securing the ball, keeping his feet moving, understanding how to make adjustments to audibles, etc.).

I highly doubt Starks main focus is going to be coming in and getting the ball, then simply running. A lot in this scheme (zone-blocking) is predicated on the running back having good timing: being patient enough to let the backside blocks (cuts) occur and then cutting it back for positive gains. He simply cannot get that without having taken a rep in training camp, let alone not having played football in about two years.

Starks may have potential, but asking anyone two do something - especially at a higher level - two years after they did it last is asking a bit much. Starks is now playing in a league where everyone is that much faster and stronger, and taking mental reps is much different from taking live reps where a hesitation of a slight second may be the difference between the QB throwing a TD and the QB getting planted and injured.

I simply cannot be led to believe that Starks will provide anything beyond minimal value this season. And I think anyone in the higher places of this organization would be fool to think the RB position would be alright as long as Starks is activated.

"djcubez" wrote:



Like I said earlier I mostly agree with you. I was alluding to the fact that he may be able to help out a little in the backfield later this season if is he is healthy. Not as a starter but maybe get a few carries a game to help Kuhn and Jackson out.
go.pack.go.
14 years ago

I agree with most of your assessment but the guy has been attending meetings. Since he's not on the field he's had more time to study the playbook and get to know the offense. I wouldn't expect anything from him in the first few weeks after he comes back but maybe later in the season. Plus, coming in as a RB has to be one of the easier positions to adjust to--for the most part you just get the ball and run. The hard part is picking up blitzes and knowing what to do on pass plays.

"djcubez" wrote:




I just do not think attending meetings makes up for the fact he has a grand total of zero reps in our system. He may have had this time to get the playbook open and study it, but that does not mean he has been able to focus on some of the more physical aspects of practice (securing the ball, keeping his feet moving, understanding how to make adjustments to audibles, etc.).

I highly doubt Starks main focus is going to be coming in and getting the ball, then simply running. A lot in this scheme (zone-blocking) is predicated on the running back having good timing: being patient enough to let the backside blocks (cuts) occur and then cutting it back for positive gains. He simply cannot get that without having taken a rep in training camp, let alone not having played football in about two years.

Starks may have potential, but asking anyone two do something - especially at a higher level - two years after they did it last is asking a bit much. Starks is now playing in a league where everyone is that much faster and stronger, and taking mental reps is much different from taking live reps where a hesitation of a slight second may be the difference between the QB throwing a TD and the QB getting planted and injured.

I simply cannot be led to believe that Starks will provide anything beyond minimal value this season. And I think anyone in the higher places of this organization would be fool to think the RB position would be alright as long as Starks is activated.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Like I said earlier I mostly agree with you. I was alluding to the fact that he may be able to help out a little in the backfield later this season if is he is healthy. Not as a starter but maybe get a few carries a game to help Kuhn and Jackson out.

"djcubez" wrote:



I'm hoping Kuhn will be helping Jackson and Starks....I would like it better if Kuhn went back to getting the amount of touches he did when Grant was playing.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
So who gets cut to bring Starks off the PUP?
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go.pack.go.
14 years ago

So who gets cut to bring Starks off the PUP?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Nance.
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millertime
14 years ago

So who gets cut to bring Starks off the PUP?

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Nance.

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He isn't eligible until week 6 right? What the point of predicting who will be cut to make room for him right now?
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
My point is do we sincerely think Starks will make a greater contribution to this team this year than any other player currently on the roster?
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go.pack.go.
14 years ago

My point is do we sincerely think Starks will make a greater contribution to this team this year than any other player currently on the roster?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I do believe that he will make a bigger contribution than Nance. But who knows, Dimitri may come out and prove me wrong.

I like both of them, but I think Starks has a better opportunity, considering that he already knows the playbook (hopefully).
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porky88
14 years ago

He has not played football in about two years.

He missed all of training camp. He is a rookie.

Honestly, any production from Starks would be a bonus in my opinion. It is too much to expect him to come in and actually do anything considering he has had very limited reps in our system and has had no football contact in over two years.

I do not think Ted is fool enough to put all his eggs in Starks' basket. If our running game is struggling, I think someone outside the organization (via trade most probably) would provide more support than Starks could this year.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Agreed, but before his injury, Starks was a very good prospect. We're talking second round talent. Certainly every bit as good as guys like Ben Tate and Montario Hardesty. Obviously we'll see though, but RB is the one position I think you can come in and succeed in without playing in quite a while.
all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

My point is do we sincerely think Starks will make a greater contribution to this team this year than any other player currently on the roster?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I wonder if that is how Ted will look at it, because in those exact terms the answer has to be "yes" since, surely, Starks can provide more immediate value to this team than someone like Nick McDonald.

But I do not imagine it will be a simple "bring him in and cut the 53rd-ranked man on the roster" scenario because then we'd be left with 3 RBs and 3 FBs (including Kuhn), which is very redundant when activating 45 players for the game-day roster.

As Ted pointed out at his press-conference after the final 53-man roster cut down, it is not a matter of simply rating players amongst their position, but also across positions against other players.
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