Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Wade, I've had girls admit to me that they're not talking to anyone when they walk down the sidewalk on the phone -- they just do it to avoid looking like a "loser" who has no friends. Of course, since Midwesterners are reared to be so goddamn polite, all they're doing is guaranteeing they won't make any new friends, because no one will dare to interrupt their ostensible phone call. I also know for a fact that some of those people aren't actually playing music; they just have 'phones in their ears to "look busy."

But behold the power of social conditioning. Even I, knowing those facts, won't interrupt them.

I hate the Midwest.
UserPostedImage
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
15 years ago
NSD,
Far be it from me to chastise someone for hating the Midwest. I am *so* tired of Iowa.

Yesterday afternoon I was staring out the window across all the "green space" at the center of our campus. I was trying to understand the paths people follow, why some follow the sidewalks, others cross the grass.

Most people expect it is in general going to be a "shortest distance between two points" but it's not clearly that at all. A lot of it (i hypothesize) is well-trained people "keeping to the rules" of "staying on the sidewalks" (more so here than in such 'fuck the world and its rules' places like Leicester Square or wherever).

But then I started noticing something else. Almost every walker was a singleton; and they almost never took paths where they met someone else along the path.

Unless they were handsfree (rare here), they weren't talking on cell phones (less than 5% of total observed). Couldn't tell about earphones at the distance I was. But it was clear they were almost all taking paths that wouldn't intersect with each other.

Now part of this was due to being a fairly low traffic part of the day. The "movie theater" principle: when people go to a movie theater, they tend to sit "apart" from each other, too. until the congestion is such that they have no choice.

But I think it's interesting because we're not talking a campus of complete strangers here. This is a place that trumpets its "small town-ness", it's "community" whenever it has the chance. It's part of how we justify charging 40K/year for spending time with us.

And it was a time of day when the pace is probably as low as it gets for a large fraction of students and faculty (i.e., between 3 and 5 p.m.)

And it was a pretty nice fall afternoon, too, so there was no "lets get out of this dreary weather ASAP" operating either.

Yet despite all that, the traffic at the center of campus, at the center of the "community," follows the movie theater model.

Of course I can't really cast stones. I was standing by a window at the end of all....by myself, with my back to anyone that might appear elsewhere in the hall.

Until I answered the phone.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
djcubez
15 years ago
I think you're right but on a different level. I don't think people aren't socializing, but the way we socialized has evolved. Face-to-face interaction still happens but not in physical space. I have friends that talk to each other through Skype via webcam and they have conversations even though one is here in Milwaukee and the other one is in Italy. Part of my dad's job is to setup web conferences for various people stationed around the world. You'll have people from many different countries all talking as if they were in a meeting in the same room because of webcams and the capabilities of the internet.

I myself grew up socially on the internet, which makes me seem retarded sometimes in person. I'm shy with new people but open up once I get to know someone. However when I'm on the internet I can immediately be myself because of the anonymity granted by it. It allows me to cautiously approach a group of people without putting myself in an awkward position. I would come home from high school and immediately hop on Ventrilo to talk to members of my gaming clan--there were over 30 of us and I could always count on someone to be there to converse with.

I agree with you that physical social interaction is lacking and because of the way I grew up I lack a few conversational skills. But at the same time I have hundreds of friends that I know through the internet in communities like here at PH. I still have my "real-life" friends that I spend a lot of my time with but I enjoy socializing on the internet as well.

To be honest though I despise sites like MySpace and Facebook. I feel like nobody is genuine on them--it's pretty much a space to advertise yourself so people end up only using the information or pictures that "sell." I treat my page as a joke, in fact my religion is listed as "Green Bay Packers" despite the fact that I'm a pretty strong atheist (Green Bay Packers pretty much qualifies as my religion).
El3ment12
15 years ago

Wade, I've had girls admit to me that they're not talking to anyone when they walk down the sidewalk on the phone -- they just do it to avoid looking like a "loser" who has no friends. Of course, since Midwesterners are reared to be so goddamn polite, all they're doing is guaranteeing they won't make any new friends, because no one will dare to interrupt their ostensible phone call. I also know for a fact that some of those people aren't actually playing music; they just have 'phones in their ears to "look busy."

But behold the power of social conditioning. Even I, knowing those facts, won't interrupt them.

I hate the Midwest.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I don't have alot of friends here at my college. When I'm by myself, I use my cell to not look like a loser. 😞 ....It seems everyone else has alot of people to text, so I kind of feel like an outsider
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
All you're doing is perpetuating your lack of friends by a) not reaching out and saying "hi" to those around you and b) making yourself look unapproachable and unsociable. No one really assumes you're a loser just because you're not talking on the phone.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
packerfanoutwest (2h) : too funny
packerfanoutwest (2h) : Lions QB Jared Goff was the offensive MVP
packerfanoutwest (2h) : for the Pro Bowl, which is flag football
Zero2Cool (4h) : Rather, the murder WAS covered up to prevent ...
Zero2Cool (4h) : JFK murder was a cover-up to prevent war with Cuba/Russia.
Martha Careful (1-Feb) : I have always admired the pluck of the man
Zero2Cool (1-Feb) : I remember thinking he was going to be something good.
Mucky Tundra (1-Feb) : The Dualing Banjo!
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jets have named Chris Banjo as their special teams coordinator, Former Packers player
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jaguars have hired Anthony Campanile as their DC. We lose coach
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : QB coach Sean Mannion
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : DL Coach DeMarcus Covington
dfosterf (30-Jan) : from ft Belvoir, Quantico and points south. Somber reminder of this tragedy at Reagan Nat Airport
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eerily quiet here in Alexandria. I live in the flight path of commercial craft coming from the south and west, plus the military craft
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eeri
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Now that's a thought, maybe they're looking at the college ranks? Maybe not head coaches but DC/assistant DCs with league experience?
beast (30-Jan) : College Coaches wouldn't want that publicly, as it would hurt recruiting and they might not get the job.
beast (30-Jan) : I thought they were supposed to publicly announce them, at least the NFL ones. Hafley was from college, so I believe different rules.
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Who knows who they're interviewing? I mean, nobody knew about Hafley and then out of nowhere he was hired
beast (30-Jan) : I wonder what's taking so long with hiring a DL coach, 2 of the 3 known to interview have already been hired elsewhere.
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Packers coach Matt LaFleur hires Luke Getsy as senior assistant, extends Rich Bisaccia's deal
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Chiefs again huh? I guess another Super Bowl I'll be finding something else to do.
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : Chiefs Eagles...again...sigh
dfosterf (27-Jan) : Happy Birthday Dave!
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : happy birthday dhazer
TheKanataThrilla (26-Jan) : Exactly buck...Washington came up with the ball. It is just a shitty coincidence one week later
buckeyepackfan (26-Jan) : I forgot, they corrected the call a week later. Lol btw HAPPY BIRTHDAY dhazer!
buckeyepackfan (26-Jan) : That brings up the question, why wasn't Nixon down by contact? I think that was the point Kanata was making.
buckeyepackfan (26-Jan) : Turnovers rule, win the turnover battle, win the game.
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : well, he was
TheKanataThrilla (26-Jan) : Eagles down by contact on the fumble....fuck you NFL
Mucky Tundra (26-Jan) : I think this games over
beast (26-Jan) : Eagles sure get a lot of fumbles on kickoffs
Mucky Tundra (26-Jan) : This game looks too big for Washington
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : that being said, The Ravens are the Browns
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : Browns, Dolphins have longest AFC Championship droughts
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : As of today, Cowboys have longest NFC Championship drought,
beast (26-Jan) : Someone pointed out, with Raiders hiring Carroll, the division games between Carroll and Jim Harbaugh are back on (who can whine more games)
beast (26-Jan) : I'm confused, Pete Carroll and Brian Schottenheimer? When Todd Monken, Joe Brady, Kellen Moore, Kliff Kingsbury and Zac Robinson are availab
Zero2Cool (25-Jan) : Any reason I'm catching a shot here about my intelligence?
Martha Careful (25-Jan) : thank you Mucky for sticking up for me
Martha Careful (25-Jan) : some of those people are smarter than you zero. However Pete Carroll is not
Mucky Tundra (24-Jan) : Rude!
beast (24-Jan) : Martha? 😋
Zero2Cool (24-Jan) : Raiders hired someone from the elderly home.
dfosterf (24-Jan) : I'm going with a combination of the two.
beast (24-Jan) : Either the Cowboys have no idea what they're doing, or they're targeting their former OC, currently the Eagles OC
Zero2Cool (23-Jan) : Fake news. Cowboys say no
Zero2Cool (23-Jan) : Mystery candidate in the Cowboys head coaching search believed to be Packers ST Coordinator Rich Bisaccia.
beast (23-Jan) : Also why do both NYC teams have absolutely horrible OL for over a decade?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

25-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.