The grass is always greener...

TheEngineer
Registered Topic Starter

15 years ago

I like to peruse other teams' forums to see what the consensus on the Packers and Rodgers is. Here's something interesting I've found, from IrepDC, who claims he's a Redskins fan first and a Packers fan 2nd.

From extremeskins.com (gee, sounds almost pornographic), the Redskins forum:

I posted this in another thread but I figured it would also be appropriate here for those of you who don't understand the TOTAL difference in the situation the Packers have put Aaron Rodgers in. Plus, I had some more I wanted to add that is more appropriate for this thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IrepDC
Here are the Packers current starters and when they were drafted:

LT- TJ Lang (Rookie, 4th rd)

LG- Darren Colledge (2006, 2nd rd)

C- Jason Spitz (2006, 3rd rd)

RG- Josh Sitton (2008, 4th rd)

RT- Allen Barbre (2007, 4th rd)

So despite the Packers having one of the most solid olines when Rodgers was first drafted in 2005- with guys like Chad Clifton, Mike Wahle, and Mark Tauscher- the Packers steadily drafted OL since then. So now as their former starters go down from injury or just diminishing skills they have these young guys in place to protect Rodgers.

Their OL started the year with a lot of injuries and players changing positions, which is why the sacks were high, but this young group hs stepped in and is coming together well.

The Packers are the perfect example of how any franchise should build around their QB. Not only was their entire current starting OL brought in after Rodgers was drafted. They've also drafted Greg Jennings (WR, 2006, 2nd rd), James Jones (WR, 2007, 3rd rd), Jordy Nelson (WR, 2008, 2nd rd), and Jermichael Finley (TE, 2008, 3rd rd).

So they have steadily brought in talent around Rodgers since he was drafted, and they have the coaching and scheme in place that gets results out of these players.

Also the Packers have been able to rely on their running game when their OL has struggled to pass protect. The Packers have played in one LESS game than us, but here are there rushing numbers compared to ours.

Redskins: 654 yards, 3.9 per
Packers: 708 yards, 4.3 per

And remember they've played one less game.

Also their defense is GREAT at forcing turnovers as I stated earlier in this thread; giving Rodgers and the offense a short field or even SCORING THEMSELVES.

Redskins: 3 INT's (All by D. Hall)
Packers: 11 INT's (One ran in for a TD by Woodson, also one fumble return for a TD by Clay Mathews)

Again, this is in one less game.

Anyone should be able to see that the situation that Rodgers has been put in since being drafted is light years better than Campbell's with this disfunctional organization.

IrepDC wrote:

I found that quite interesting considering how many posters here consider our front office to be inept, slow to learn or otherwise incapable of running a good franchise. Thoughts?

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

15 years ago

I think he might be drinking some green and gold koolaid. He's giving the running game and OL far too much credit. My thoughts.

nerdmann
Premier Member

15 years ago

I think he might be drinking some green and gold koolaid. He's giving the running game and OL far too much credit. My thoughts.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Well, he is comparing them to the Redskins. LOL.
This whole season rides on Lang right now. On the Oline in general and Lang specifically. We'll know more on Sunday night.

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beast
Select Member

15 years ago

I think he might be drinking some green and gold koolaid. He's giving the running game and OL far too much credit. My thoughts.

"nerdmann" wrote:

Well, he is comparing them to the Redskins. LOL.
This whole season rides on Lang right now. On the Oline in general and Lang specifically. We'll know more on Sunday night.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Yeah the Redskins have had a huge problem in that they have switched coaches over and over and over... and their owner basically is the GM and seems to go on flash or need like the Al Davis.....

I used to live in Redskins land... the owner is their problem... too many changes leading to problems which lead the owner making more changes and over correcting and more problems and more changes. Plus the owner has given his word in the past and many times hasn't kept it.

I agree... we need to find out if Lang is the future or not...

Rockmolder
Honored Member

15 years ago

Nice. I think that this was Thompson's plan. Just ride them out as long as you can and have replacements standing ready.

Biggest problem is that he doesn't appear to value O-linemen and WRs that high. With the high hit chance in later rounds compared to other positions, he just seems to take that gamble.

It worked for the receivers, not for the O-line, despire what this Redskins dude says.

Greg C.
Registered

15 years ago

It's always fun to be compared to the Redskins. I think he oversells our O-line, though. Hopefully some of these mid-round draft choices just need a little more time to polish up their game.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

15 years ago

I think the overall premise is correct. Get the guys in to build behind the veterans. There were a couple problems that hurt. 1, Mike McCarthy and the ZBS. McCarthy wanted the smaller agile Oline, and IMO it is hurting us because they are getting overpowered. Then Tauscher getting hurt, threw in RT on top of LT as a need last offseason. Tauscher had not been declining in performance. He was still the best on the line. Had he not been injured there only really would have been 1 position of need on the Oline, instead of 2.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

brnt247
Registered

15 years ago

The idea is correct, but the biggest difference between campbell and rodgers is confidence. You can see it when they're both in the pocket and looking downfield.

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dd80forever
Registered

15 years ago

The question is Is Daniel Snyder a good GM?

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Cheesey
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#10

Answer is, NO.
But i bet some would want him here, cause his name isn't TT.

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