macbob
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15 years ago

Macbob, just curious why did you choose to research records when the packers played them instead teams record at the end of the season?

"cheeseheads123" wrote:



Started out accidentally. I was looking at past scores on ESPN.COM and they listed each team's record after the game. It did effect the stats, as Detroit, for example, in 2007 had a winning record when we first played them and losing record the second time around. If I had used EOY stats, then they'd have counted as a team with a losing record both times. But I don't know that it would have had that large an impact.

I figured their record at the time we played them gave some indication of how well they were playing at that time, so decided to go with that.
Greg C.
15 years ago

Under McCarthy, were 31-24. Looking at the numbers, our 31-24 record appears to be largely due to the quality of the schedule/opponents. 34 out of 55 (62%) of the games have been against teams with .500 or losing records when we played them.

"macbob" wrote:



This number jumped out at me until I took a closer look at it. Ten of those games were against .500 teams. So they've played 24 games against teams with losing records, 21 games against teams with winning records, and 10 games against .500 teams. A slightly advantageous schedule (thank you, Detroit Lions), but not far from the average.

Also, I suspect you would find a similar breakdown if you looked at the schedule of any team whose record was similar to the Packers' record during the past few years. There are only a select few teams that are much above .500 against winning teams.

That's an interesting way to break it down, though. I would agree that how well a team is playing at the time you play them is more important than that team's performance for the entire season.
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all_about_da_packers
15 years ago

I keep thinking about that 13-3 season in '07 under McCarthy. I don't think it happened just because of Brett Favre and good luck. The coaches had to know what they were doing. Right?

"Greg C." wrote:




If anyone remembers the first game of the 07 season against the Eagles, the Packers were outright terrible offensively.

They had no running game going into game 7 of the season.

Greg Jennings was injured the first three games of that season.


There were problems then, too. The team overcame those, over the coarse of a 16 game season. Plenty of time left this year, as NSD has wisely stated.


Although to be fair, I think finding Grant in 07 was more a stroke of unbelievably good fortune, as opposed to actual "this is a sleeper player who only needs time to learn the system" thing.
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Gravedigga
15 years ago


Isn't it amazing how some players can make coaches look brilliant. That guy in MInny, Childress is undeafeated this year, probably on his way to coach of the year!!!

"coltonja" wrote:



I have to disagree, as of right now there is no way Josh McDaniels in Denver doesn't get the nod. Again AS OF RIGHT NOW his team has a new defense(with 8 different/new from last year), a QB that had been struggling before a trade to McD's team, and just a team that hasn't played this well since #7 was behind center.

What does Childress have? Like you said he has talent. Let me rephrase that his PLAYERS have talent.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



He has Vikings QB. Thats what he has :xcensoredx:
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Gravedigga
15 years ago

It does sound like he's talking about the Packers, with the poor blocking and the penalties, although one difference is that the Packers have had very few turnovers. And nothing changed after the bye week except the level of competition, which was rock bottom and will be close to rock bottom this Sunday in Cleveland. Hopefully things will get straightened out, though.

I keep thinking about that 13-3 season in '07 under McCarthy. I don't think it happened just because of Brett Favre and good luck. The coaches had to know what they were doing. Right?

"Greg C." wrote:



Isn't it amazing how some players can make coaches look brilliant. That guy in MInny, Childress is undeafeated this year, probably on his way to coach of the year!!!

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



And which coach was looking brilliant at this time last season? Oh yeah, Eric Mangini. But the Jets ended up 8-8, their QB led the league in interceptions, and Mangini got canned.

I think the Vikings will do better than that, but I have no faith in Brett Favre's ability to finish out a season, based on his final years in Green Bay, as well as his season with the Jets.

"Greg C." wrote:



His arm is healthy for the first time in a long time. Dont you worry abotu him. He'll be just fine.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

It does sound like he's talking about the Packers, with the poor blocking and the penalties, although one difference is that the Packers have had very few turnovers. And nothing changed after the bye week except the level of competition, which was rock bottom and will be close to rock bottom this Sunday in Cleveland. Hopefully things will get straightened out, though.

I keep thinking about that 13-3 season in '07 under McCarthy. I don't think it happened just because of Brett Favre and good luck. The coaches had to know what they were doing. Right?

"Gravedigga" wrote:



Isn't it amazing how some players can make coaches look brilliant. That guy in MInny, Childress is undeafeated this year, probably on his way to coach of the year!!!

"Greg C." wrote:



And which coach was looking brilliant at this time last season? Oh yeah, Eric Mangini. But the Jets ended up 8-8, their QB led the league in interceptions, and Mangini got canned.

I think the Vikings will do better than that, but I have no faith in Brett Favre's ability to finish out a season, based on his final years in Green Bay, as well as his season with the Jets.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



His arm is healthy for the first time in a long time. Dont you worry abotu him. He'll be just fine.

"Greg C." wrote:



I'm pretty sure that his arm was healthy at this point last year.
macbob
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15 years ago
Pete Dougherty looked at the 2006 head coaches class (10 new HC hired that year).

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091023/PKR07/91023188/1058/PKR01 

Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy are at the top of the list, with 31-24 records. Thanks to a 6-0 start this year, Childress is at 30-25, after that the next closest is 4 games below .500.

TT/MM's got us at the top of the list. The bottom 4 on that list were just downright ugly.
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