Zero2Cool
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Danny Woodhead was not an option though. I understand your frustration, but there's only so much that can be done and often times, things take two to work.
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People complaining about the 3rd string running back signing is about as awesome to me as the people who complained that the Packers released Jamarko Simmons before pre-season.
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Its not just about making any old move Zero...its about making a LEGIT move. Its about making a move that will have a major impact on the team, not a minor impact or no impact at all.

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How is this not a legit move? You act like teams were just dying to get rid of playmakers and mind you, the 2010 draft is being considered one of the best one's in recent years so teams don't want to dole out picks either. And you know how Ted is with picks.

What move was made that was a major impact for any team after the season started? I can't think of one. Braylon Edwards maybe?

We're not ONE stud away from being a contender. If we were, I think maybe we'd have done something drastic, but we're not.
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I like it. Saying that Ahman was "kicked off" the Texans is a bit harsh. Yes, they cut him, but they were expecting great things from Slaton and couldn't rationalize the luxury of having Green strictly as a backup.

He knows many of the players, is well liked and respected, already knows much of the playbook. He's a very good receiver, still runs a screen better than Grant and he knows how to pick up the blitz.

And he's got something to prove. Age-related motivation can be a powerful thing (right Brett?).

He needs 46 yards to become the Packers' all-time leading rusher. He'll do it next Sunday against the Vikings. On 3rd down. Draw play...
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People complaining about the 3rd string running back signing is about as awesome to me as the people who complained that the Packers released Jamarko Simmons before pre-season.

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Exactly! That's what I'm saying, it's not as if Green is going to start this Sunday. This is the early 2000's where we rode Green to victory. We ride Aaron Rodgers to victory now. Green is, I think, more of a safe pickup who provides what we lack at RB. RELIABILITY out of the back field. He's a part time player now and I think he'll be 'ok'.
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I like it. Saying that Ahman was "kicked off" the Texans is a bit harsh. Yes, they cut him, but they were expecting great things from Slaton and couldn't rationalize the luxury of having Green strictly as a backup.

He knows many of the players, is well liked and respected, already knows much of the playbook. He's a very good receiver, still runs a screen better than Grant and he knows how to pick up the blitz.

And he's got something to prove. Age-related motivation can be a powerful thing (right Brett?).

He needs 46 yards to become the Packers' all-time leading rusher. He'll do it Monday night against the Vikings.

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I think we play Sunday at 3:15pm CST :P

Yes, a young Slaton or a overpaid Ahman Green who's on a decline? Tough call there.
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I like it. Saying that Ahman was "kicked off" the Texans is a bit harsh. Yes, they cut him, but they were expecting great things from Slaton and couldn't rationalize the luxury of having Green strictly as a backup.

He knows many of the players, is well liked and respected, already knows much of the playbook. He's a very good receiver, still runs a screen better than Grant and he knows how to pick up the blitz.

And he's got something to prove. Age-related motivation can be a powerful thing (right Brett?).

He needs 46 yards to become the Packers' all-time leading rusher. He'll do it Monday night against the Vikings.

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I think we play Sunday at 3:15pm CST :P

Yes, a young Slaton or a overpaid Ahman Green who's on a decline? Tough call there.

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LOL. Fixed it already...
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What move was made that was a major impact for any team after the season started? I can't think of one. Braylon Edwards maybe?

We're not ONE stud away from being a contender. If we were, I think maybe we'd have done something drastic, but we're not.

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Hmm, Bears signed Gaines Adams. He could be an impact for their aging defense.

I would have to go ahead and say Braylon Edwards is a major impact as well.

I know we are not one stud away from being a contender. I just thought if we were going to sign any free agents we would be addressing what needs to be addressed (offensive line). To each their own I guess.

Glad to see people are happy for Green, I am as well. Doesn't mean I have to like the move as much as the next person.
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* On Ahman Green: "We really felt Ahman would upgrade our running back (group)." DeShawn Wynn had knee surgery. Would like to see in pads. Everyone who saw workout was pleased, but football shape is different.

* On how Green looks: Need to see more of him. Excellent in-line quickness. Showed some burst today.

* Something to be said for adding veterans: Starting point of bringing Green and Tauscher back is, they're good football players. Need to get them healthy and into football shape.

* On Green: Didn't go off of what happened in Houston. Personnel department stay in tune with all players. Have a grade and opinion on where each player is. Workout was to see where he was health-wise. Felt he would be a good fit, has history here, knows offense, minimal learning curve. Health was the big question answered.



Brandon Jackson will be used on KR, not Green. I was wrong there.
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I loved Green when he was with the Pack before. And if you're not going to improve the run game/help take pressure off the QB by adding on the OL, you might as well try to improve your RB corps. With ole Softy Wynn down yet again and Jackson's iffy health, we needed another back.

Welcome home, Ahman.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:


Well said. My sentiments exactly.

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You are aware we put Wynn on IR, right? I think that's why we signed a RB. Could we have found better? Possibly, I do not know. But I sure as heck won't bitch about Ahman Green being signed. He's familar with the team, the offense (to a degree) and he loves being a Packer and to me that means he'll do whatever that is asked of him. AND, I don't think he'll be asked to do much, at all.

The Rams told Jackson they were not going to trade him. Getting a different RB, well, like others have said, we need our OL to be better before we worry about RB. I agree. I also think we if our OL quits the penalties a bit, the coach calls more runs ... our OL and running game will be better for it.

We're 3 - 2 and have some "easy" games coming up, minus Vikings. There's still time.

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Yes, I am aware that we put Wynn on IR but even you said above that IF Grant and Jackson were hurt, you would put Lumpkin in front of Green. I just think it was a move made to hush Pack fans up about signing someone or making a trade.

I figured the trades rumored were never going to happen. My hopes were too high at one point then I was brought back to reality. I don't think Ahman Green is a negative signing, just a soft move.

I was looking for a boom.

Anyways, I agree with what you said about the offensive line. It is all going to start with them. Hopefully these easy games help us a bit. Maybe Green can take a good amount of carries against the Browns as well.

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Really -- that's what you think?

[...facepalm...]
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15 years ago
Well, I'm glad Ahman is back. Is he the answer to our woes, probably not...but Wynn and Jackson are injured SO often, someone else was needed!
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Before you can be succesful running the ball, you need a coach who will
be dedicated to running the ball instead of giving up on it as soon
as one play goes astray.

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Can we start situating the criticisms of McCarthy contextually. You know, cite examples. The wide-ranging criticism of McCarthy is that he gives up on the run right away.

Let's re-visit the Lions game, shall we? The run game wasn't working. This little snippet is from the Packers.com dope sheet previewing the Cleveland matchup:

Grant posted just 28 yards on 13 carries (2.2 avg.) in the first three quarters, including a long of 7, before rushing for 62 yards on 11 attempts (5.6 avg.) in the final stanza.



Are you really going to argue that not running enough in the first three quarters was to the Packers detriment? Green Bay was moving the ball easily through the air (short passes as well as throws downfield). And when they were trying to drain the clock at the end of the game they "dug their heels in" and got production in the run game.

In general McCarthy could probably stay with the run more but there's a time when that would be inappropriate. And hey, McCarthy himself admits that his goal is to have balance. In his opinion (and many would agree) it puts the Packers in the best position.

I just don't like hearing the same canned criticism. We didn't NEED to run the ball 30 times when they're already moving the ball well AND the run game was getting blown up. Go back a few weeks, the Minnesota game: we're not going to run on Minnesota anyway. To his credit, the called draw plays were actually pretty successful.

Go back a week before that, the St. Louis game. The re-commitment to the run in the second half (ahem, it wasn't working for shit in the first half) was a big reason why they were able to use play action, move the ball effectively, and close out the game.

Update the criticism, folks. It isn't fair to say blankly that McCarthy gives up after "one play goes astray."

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I don't think the Packers brought Ahman back for the running game but for his blocking abilities. He was a good blocker in the good days when he was with the packers. But, I don't like this move at all, I'd rather have Dominic Rhodes on our team than Green. Let's see if he can teach Ryan Grant how to run the football and not just fall down when some lays a pinkie on him.

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Bingo....

This was clearly a move based on blocking and receiving skills. If the Packers were looking for a player to run in between the tackles, Kregg Lumpkin would've been promoted from the practice squad.

Grant isn't much of a third down back nor much of a receiver and Jackson has always been a work in progress with his blocking. Like it or not, that was a weakness. I personally like the move. Nobody out there is going to solve the Packers' running game problems, but blocking is a whole different story. The Packers looked at a key area which is 3rd down, receiving, and blocking and they upgraded. Nothing wrong with that.
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Seriously people, what well-established RB do you think is going to sign a contract with an NFL team in a small rinky-dink town to just be a 3rd-string RB?

One RB lives in Green bay and says he has on occassion admitted his love of the place. And his name rhymes with "Ramen Bean"
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Well, I'm glad Ahman is back. Is he the answer to our woes, probably not...but Wynn and Jackson are injured SO often, someone else was needed!

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ahhh so you mean someone healthy like ahmen green
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15 years ago

Just looked at a list and saw a name that would of been without a doubt better imo. Warrick Dunn. Had a pretty solid year in TB last year too.

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I do like Dunn a lot, but has he played in a west coast offense before? How long would it take for him to get going? And he's 34 which is I think 2 years older than Green.

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Did some research and apparently he has been playing in a WCO his whole career.

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Really? I didn't know that. I was thinking with TB he was because I think he was under Gruden's offense, right? Then at Atlanta I'm pretty sure he was there too because that was something that was held against Vick, that he couldn't run a WCO.

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Do a quick google search. Punch in "Warrick Dunn West Coast Offense" and you will see a few pages talking about it. He clearly would of been the better option.

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Not trying to be a dick, but seriously, go play Madden. Personnel decisions aren't about getting a brand named guy -- particularly in the case of a 34 year old RB. I'm not suggesting the Green signing is going to impact things immensely.

But c'mon, it should hardly be considered "research" seeing that Dunn played in a west-coast system and therefore would have been a better selection.

Hey guys, Shawn Alexander and Priest Holmes are out there too! Those are big names!

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lol. Lets see. Why don't you compare what Dunn has done the past 2 years to what Green has done the past 2 years. The stats pretty much speak for themselves. Dunn has remained pretty much healthy the past 2 years and is still solid at 34. Ahman Green has done NOTHING the past 2 years and is injury prone. So what makes more sense to you? Bring in a guy who has done nothing the past 2 years but get hurt or bring in a guy who has been decently productive the past 2 years? Also I see a lot of you talking about Green having good hands and like him in the screen game. Look at Dunn's career receiving numbers. Much better than Greens. This is just my opinion.
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maybe they wanted a bigger back who is familiar with the Packers offense and is a strong blocker.
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Just looked at a list and saw a name that would of been without a doubt better imo. Warrick Dunn. Had a pretty solid year in TB last year too.

"GOPACKGO1225" wrote:



I do like Dunn a lot, but has he played in a west coast offense before? How long would it take for him to get going? And he's 34 which is I think 2 years older than Green.

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Did some research and apparently he has been playing in a WCO his whole career.

"GOPACKGO1225" wrote:



Really? I didn't know that. I was thinking with TB he was because I think he was under Gruden's offense, right? Then at Atlanta I'm pretty sure he was there too because that was something that was held against Vick, that he couldn't run a WCO.

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Do a quick google search. Punch in "Warrick Dunn West Coast Offense" and you will see a few pages talking about it. He clearly would of been the better option.

"GOPACKGO1225" wrote:


Not trying to be a dick, but seriously, go play Madden. Personnel decisions aren't about getting a brand named guy -- particularly in the case of a 34 year old RB. I'm not suggesting the Green signing is going to impact things immensely.

But c'mon, it should hardly be considered "research" seeing that Dunn played in a west-coast system and therefore would have been a better selection.

Hey guys, Shawn Alexander and Priest Holmes are out there too! Those are big names!

/rant

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lol. Lets see. Why don't you compare what Dunn has done the past 2 years to what Green has done the past 2 years. The stats pretty much speak for themselves. Dunn has remained pretty much healthy the past 2 years and is still solid at 34. Ahman Green has done NOTHING the past 2 years and is injury prone. So what makes more sense to you? Bring in a guy who has done nothing the past 2 years but get hurt or bring in a guy who has been decently productive the past 2 years? Also I see a lot of you talking about Green having good hands and like him in the screen game. Look at Dunn's career receiving numbers. Much better than Greens. This is just my opinion.

"GOPACKGO1225" wrote:


The reasons the Packers went after Green, according to McCarthy, relate to (in part) his familiarity with the system. Please also take into account that Green -- if he sees time as a 3rd down back -- will be asked to pick up blitzes in addition to catching the ball. Dunn is a SMALL running back. Historically he's had issues with blocking.

It isn't simply a matter of looking at stats and saying, "this guy would be better." Last year Dunn was a change of pace back who complimented Earnest Graham -- a more physical style runner.

You are indeed entitled to your own opinion. I just don't think Dunn would be a good fit, given what he'd likely be asked to do.
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