PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

Can't compare stats on these guys. I have used this analogy before. Hawk is the FB of the defense. He many not be making as many tackles or getting huge sacks and making the highlights. He is just doing his job. He takes on the lead blockers so Barnett or who ever can make the tackle. He is sacrificing himself for the team.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



So what is Hawk doing that Lansanah or some other big LB couldn't have? It seems like a waste to me.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



That may be, but I don't blame Hawk for the change in the scheme. The first two years, Hawk was pretty good. Last year, I am not even looking at because of injury and getting shuffled around.

But he is on the team. Should we just bench him because a cheaper player may be able to do the same thing, close to the same? I don't think so. I would be for trading Hawk as long as Chillar is around to take his role. We then need a backup for him. Bishop is not it.

Leading on the cross blitz or taking on the FB is Hawks job, We don't want Barnett or Bishop with that responsibility, they are to small. Chillar and Hawk are sharing time because the each are better at one aspect over the other. Until one of them is no longer around, that is the way it should stay. Just because they are not getting the tackles doesn't matter because that is the job.
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buckeyepackfan
15 years ago
I hope everyone saw the sarcasm in my first post.

A.J. Hawk=SOLID LB, in this system he isn't going to lead the team in tackle(like he did his rookie year).

I agree if A.J. Hawk is the weekest link in defense, then we don't have a lot to worry about.
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Felipe7777777
15 years ago

A.J. Hawk was the best pick at the time at the 5th spot. He was heralded by all as the safest defensive player on the board even before the first selection was made.

Huff or Ngata could have been better, but at the 5 spot, it was the best pick at the time and I think we also had a need at LB. Best player available and fit a need.


I can't fault Ted on that pick.

I can fault for Hawk declining in production year after year. I like it when he hits someone, because he hits them hard. It's neat. I like Hawk more than Barnett.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I agree Hawk was the consensus safe pick in that draft and i still dont see why people want him benched for someone else, the LBers are playing pretty good right now no need to change anything up EVEN IF he was a first round pick, he's doing what he's supposed to do in this 3-4 scheme and in turn making the other LBers look better and vice versa....

what i do disagree is that Huff would've been a better pick...Huff is garbage, horrible safety, Ngata on the other hand is beastin
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Tezzy
15 years ago

Bottomline: We're getting less production from Hawk than the other linebacker positions, and it's getting worse, not better. Barnett's our best, statistically speaking.

"macbob" wrote:



I still stand behind Hawk, and more now than ever. Just like this last statement about Barnett being the best statistical LB, statistically speaking. But yet most of use would agree that Barnett is near the bottom in what he does for the defense. I believe Hawk's physical play brings a lot to the LB corp and the front 7 unit as a whole. And when needed, hawk has repeatedly been to the sidelines making tackles on plays that could have been big hitters. He isn't going to get to the QB unless there is a breakdown in the protection when we send everyone. His numbers can also be an indication of how well the defensive trenches have played. So I liked the stats, but worth isn't always in the numbers. As you point out about Barnett. If all we're doing is comparing him to expectations from draft, that's fine. But in my reality his worth is right there.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

Can't compare stats on these guys. I have used this analogy before. Hawk is the FB of the defense. He many not be making as many tackles or getting huge sacks and making the highlights. He is just doing his job. He takes on the lead blockers so Barnett or who ever can make the tackle. He is sacrificing himself for the team.

"macbob" wrote:



I'm not buying it. He was a 1st round, 5th pick in the draft. He needs to be more than the FB of the defense. He needs to be the star QB/RB/WR.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:




This may all be the case, but I'd like to see Bishop out there. Give Bishop a chance, if he F's up, then at least we'd know. Then we can go back to Hawk.
Bishop just makes plays, flat out.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

Well, I'm glad you brought this up. Not to denigrate Hawk, but to silence Barnett's critics. I've always loved Nick (in a manly way). He's consistent. Sure, he gets caught doing something dumb, but name one LB who ever played the game who never got juked or missed a tackle.

"zombieslayer" wrote:




I'd take Hawk over Barnett.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

Can't compare stats on these guys. I have used this analogy before. Hawk is the FB of the defense. He many not be making as many tackles or getting huge sacks and making the highlights. He is just doing his job. He takes on the lead blockers so Barnett or who ever can make the tackle. He is sacrificing himself for the team.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



So what is Hawk doing that Lansanah or some other big LB couldn't have? It seems like a waste to me.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



That may be, but I don't blame Hawk for the change in the scheme. The first two years, Hawk was pretty good. Last year, I am not even looking at because of injury and getting shuffled around.

But he is on the team. Should we just bench him because a cheaper player may be able to do the same thing, close to the same? I don't think so. I would be for trading Hawk as long as Chillar is around to take his role. We then need a backup for him. Bishop is not it.

Leading on the cross blitz or taking on the FB is Hawks job, We don't want Barnett or Bishop with that responsibility, they are to small. Chillar and Hawk are sharing time because the each are better at one aspect over the other. Until one of them is no longer around, that is the way it should stay. Just because they are not getting the tackles doesn't matter because that is the job.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:




Bishop is bigger than Hawk, is he not?
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

Can't compare stats on these guys. I have used this analogy before. Hawk is the FB of the defense. He many not be making as many tackles or getting huge sacks and making the highlights. He is just doing his job. He takes on the lead blockers so Barnett or who ever can make the tackle. He is sacrificing himself for the team.

"nerdmann" wrote:



So what is Hawk doing that Lansanah or some other big LB couldn't have? It seems like a waste to me.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



That may be, but I don't blame Hawk for the change in the scheme. The first two years, Hawk was pretty good. Last year, I am not even looking at because of injury and getting shuffled around.

But he is on the team. Should we just bench him because a cheaper player may be able to do the same thing, close to the same? I don't think so. I would be for trading Hawk as long as Chillar is around to take his role. We then need a backup for him. Bishop is not it.

Leading on the cross blitz or taking on the FB is Hawks job, We don't want Barnett or Bishop with that responsibility, they are to small. Chillar and Hawk are sharing time because the each are better at one aspect over the other. Until one of them is no longer around, that is the way it should stay. Just because they are not getting the tackles doesn't matter because that is the job.

"Stevetarded" wrote:




Bishop is bigger than Hawk, is he not?

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Bishop is 6'2" 238
Hawk is 6'1" 248

Bishop is much closer to Barnett at 6'2" 236
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Tezzy
15 years ago

Can't compare stats on these guys. I have used this analogy before. Hawk is the FB of the defense. He many not be making as many tackles or getting huge sacks and making the highlights. He is just doing his job. He takes on the lead blockers so Barnett or who ever can make the tackle. He is sacrificing himself for the team.

"nerdmann" wrote:



I'm not buying it. He was a 1st round, 5th pick in the draft. He needs to be more than the FB of the defense. He needs to be the star QB/RB/WR.

"macbob" wrote:




This may all be the case, but I'd like to see Bishop out there. Give Bishop a chance, if he F's up, then at least we'd know. Then we can go back to Hawk.
Bishop just makes plays, flat out.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Bishop needs to help himself. The snaps he has gotten he needs to take better advantage of. I believe that if he had committed less penalties from those snaps he'd get more opportunities. The one that really sticks out was the offside penalty on that play that PI got called on. To me the preseason Bishop looks much different then the regular season Bishop in those snaps he has had. And I honestly believe he makes more mistakes than big plays in the big picture.
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nyrpack
15 years ago
you can show all the stats , but im not buying hawk is the 5th best !!
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