Dulak
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15 years ago
So what does this have to do with the packers? ...

What I saw is how both teams often got blitzed either from the end or from unknown positions and how the teams had plays in place to help make plays even thou there was a man(men) coming.

Now these are both older guys at the QB position; so its not like the can move that good compared to their younger counter-parts.

What I saw was short pass or dumps/screens. Often times it looked like these plays were the primary play or often it was the option of a secondary play. Meaning if the blitz comes then your option is to get it to this guy ...

Ya farve took some sacks but he could of taken alot more if he held onto the ball alot longer and if they didnt have the options of doing the short screens or passes.

I didnt rewatch the greenbay game yet; but there is no reason why we cant have plays that work of a screen or a short pass to a TE/RB.

So if anything I blame our coaches for these lousey OL coverages. Obviously putting more guys to block isnt going to do the trick.(since as someone posted already we tried that this week)

IMO having options for rodgers to get rid of the ball quickly. We dont always have to make the 40+ yard play. Ill take a 8-12 yard throw or a short screen over a sack anyday.

your thoughts?
Packers_Finland
15 years ago
He tried that with Grant, you remember what happened right?

In all seriousness though, yes I would like to see more short throws and screens. It would make us depend less on big plays. I haven't seen a slant in ages.
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Cheesey
15 years ago
Teans can cover the slant well because they KNOW that our o-line can't stop anyone. So cover that well, and wait for the D to pressure AR.
Until we fix that, we won't have the quick slant to throw to.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

So what does this have to do with the packers? ...

What I saw is how both teams often got blitzed either from the end or from unknown positions and how the teams had plays in place to help make plays even thou there was a man(men) coming.

Now these are both older guys at the QB position; so its not like the can move that good compared to their younger counter-parts.

What I saw was short pass or dumps/screens. Often times it looked like these plays were the primary play or often it was the option of a secondary play. Meaning if the blitz comes then your option is to get it to this guy ...

Ya farve took some sacks but he could of taken alot more if he held onto the ball alot longer and if they didnt have the options of doing the short screens or passes.

I didnt rewatch the greenbay game yet; but there is no reason why we cant have plays that work of a screen or a short pass to a TE/RB.

So if anything I blame our coaches for these lousey OL coverages. Obviously putting more guys to block isnt going to do the trick.(since as someone posted already we tried that this week)

IMO having options for rodgers to get rid of the ball quickly. We dont always have to make the 40+ yard play. Ill take a 8-12 yard throw or a short screen over a sack anyday.

your thoughts?

"Dulak" wrote:



+1.

I watched Favre compensate for his lack of mobility with quick dump offs and screens and I was thinking the same thing - why the **** aren't we doing this? With us, the problem is a bad OL. With the Vikes, Favre can't move. The results are the same - QB gets pressured. Yet, the Vikings continue the drive and often score. We punt.
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evad04
15 years ago

So what does this have to do with the packers? ...

What I saw is how both teams often got blitzed either from the end or from unknown positions and how the teams had plays in place to help make plays even thou there was a man(men) coming.

Now these are both older guys at the QB position; so its not like the can move that good compared to their younger counter-parts.

What I saw was short pass or dumps/screens. Often times it looked like these plays were the primary play or often it was the option of a secondary play. Meaning if the blitz comes then your option is to get it to this guy ...

Ya farve took some sacks but he could of taken alot more if he held onto the ball alot longer and if they didnt have the options of doing the short screens or passes.

I didnt rewatch the greenbay game yet; but there is no reason why we cant have plays that work of a screen or a short pass to a TE/RB.

So if anything I blame our coaches for these lousey OL coverages. Obviously putting more guys to block isnt going to do the trick.(since as someone posted already we tried that this week)

IMO having options for rodgers to get rid of the ball quickly. We dont always have to make the 40+ yard play. Ill take a 8-12 yard throw or a short screen over a sack anyday.

your thoughts?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



+1.

I watched Favre compensate for his lack of mobility with quick dump offs and screens and I was thinking the same thing - why the **** aren't we doing this? With us, the problem is a bad OL. With the Vikes, Favre can't move. The results are the same - QB gets pressured. Yet, the Vikings continue the drive and often score. We punt.

"Dulak" wrote:



Significantly better o-line in Minnie. Oh yeah, and there's that one guy -- you know, the best RB in football. ::roll:
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
Evad - Still, to compensate for a bad OL, you have to improve your release. Take 3 steps back, and release. I'm seeing too much drop in the pocket and wait for an open receiver. That's a luxury we don't have right now.

You can also win games with no running game. We proved that in '07.
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Dulak
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15 years ago
ya the things me and zombie saw in farves game (this includes Arz game) was the non hand-offs to the RB; blitz would still come but the ball would leave the QBs hands to a person that would get positive yards. (and not a sack - ya sure he got sacked a few times but less then rodgers and considering farve has alot less mobility then rodgers - something is up).
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Evad - Still, to compensate for a bad OL, you have to improve your release. Take 3 steps back, and release. I'm seeing too much drop in the pocket and wait for an open receiver. That's a luxury we don't have right now.

You can also win games with no running game. We proved that in '07.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I am with you on quicker release, hence my mini rant about a safety valve for the QB instead of using 7 or 8 guys to block. This if the NFL, man up or get the heck off the field! lol

The Packers had a very good running game at the end of the season. The last night games they averaged well over 100 a game. That's pretty good. We also used the Fab 5 a lot to knock defenses off balance. I can't say I've seen that too often this year.

The play calling in '09 and '07, way different from my recall.
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Rios39
15 years ago
The Vikings don't pass block well at all either. But they aren't running the deep routes. I personally think we need to try to get a running game going and shorten up our routes. I think most of the big plays should come on play actions and just drop backs.

Trying to hold the ball long in shot gun is going to get Rodgers killed.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

The Vikings don't pass block well at all either. But they aren't running the deep routes. I personally think we need to try to get a running game going and shorten up our routes. I think most of the big plays should come on play actions and just drop backs.

Trying to hold the ball long in shot gun is going to get Rodgers killed.

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They have a great run blocking line, though, and the left side of their line might be the best in the league. Both in pass and run blocking.

Then, next to that, they have AP.

We lack a good running line and an elite RB. Grant's good, but more like Bennett good. He can complement a great passing game and defense, but he won't be carrying anything.
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