Our OLine - draft breakdown· Page 2

millertime
Member

15 years ago

I don't know if coaching sucks or if we are just drafting the wrong guys.

Have any of our linemen caught on elsewhere and succeeded? It should be intersting to watch Meredith and Moll. If they succeed elsewhere, it must be coaching. If they don't, it might be drafting.

Wade
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#12

I blame Ted Thompson the LEAST in all of this. This is based entirely on what I have gathered from what has been made public, which of course is a very small percentage of the whole truth.

Ted is not some autocrat drafting willy-nilly with some exclusive myopic version of his vision for this team. He went out and got the kind of linemen he was told to go out and get. The coaches run the offensive line scheme, the coaches decide what kind of "body-type" they want. Ted is responsible in the sense that the "buck stops" with him, but if it is to be looked at fairly, he did what he was asked to do---quick, athletic- "tweener type" o-linemen---ZBS-type o-linemen, when you read the scouting reports on them.

This is on Mike McCarthy in the sense that he has always taken ownership---And I believe him, in his emphasis on fixing (God I even hate typing this) pad level, foot position, straddle technique--whatever his catch-phrase excuse of the day/week/month might be.

Is it Campen? I think so, but I also think he got a bag of shit to work with. That is on whomever has decided that the Green Bap Packers do not need hat-on-hat simple out-physical your opponent linemen. I think that is on Mike McCarthy... I could be wrong.

"dfosterf" wrote:

I blame the personnel acquisition department. So Ted gets part of it on the "buck stops here" rationale that he is in charge of said department. But I think the problem is that the entire office (from college scouts to MacKenzie) just doesn't have what it takes in assessing OL talent.

Does that mean I think Thompson, or his subordinates, should be fired? No. Because they have skills at other things -- like finding LBs, say, or a starting quarterback or WRs. But ISTM, for whatever reason, their track record on OL shows them substandard. So I don't think the solution is firing someone. I think the solution comes in hiring someone to do the things they can't do. A guru scout. Sort of the scouting equivalent of bringing in Dom Capers to fix the defense.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

nerdmann
Premier Member

15 years ago

#13

Dfo makes a great point. Mike McCarthy wants to run the Zone Blocking Scheme. This requires Ted Thompson to get "athletic" linemen.
"Smaller, quicker" linemen=suckage.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

gijoe82
Registered

15 years ago

#14

Who would be your leading three candidates to fill the position?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Jag is out there. wasnt it his line and his creation in green bay, the zb scheme.

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gijoe82
Registered

15 years ago

#15

Gents I think its a bit early to be calling for someones head. It takes a long time to develop an Olineman. How many times did colledge lose the starting position? How many times has he had to win back his job?
I can remember talk about spitiz not playing well. Unfortunately there is not a lot of time for patience in a 16 game season, but as stated above it takes time!

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TwinkieGorilla
Member

15 years ago

#16

Gents I think its a bit early to be calling for someones head.

"gijoe82" wrote:

that's exactly how i felt LAST year. much more of what we just saw on sunday and i'll feel a whole lot better with a head collection.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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Wade
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#17

Who would be your leading three candidates to fill the position?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

1. dfosterf. He'd kick ass.
2. You. Like foster, you realized that the Packers had a OL problem well before the Packer brain trust did.
3. vikesrule. If we get this far down the list, at least we know VR has a sense of humor and won't talk in manager-speak. And sometimes I think these OL should be wearing the purple underwear he'd require of them.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

djcubez
Senior Member

15 years ago

#18

Nice post, I'll admit I'm wrong as I was one of the people who picked on Thompson's strategy of drafting O-Lineman late. To be honest though, I don't think I'm entirely wrong.

I'm happy with our interior of Spitz, Sitton and Colledge. They're young and do their job well. However the tackles are the most important positions in the passing game because they protect the blind sides of the quarterback. Ted Thompson had indications the last few years that both Clifton and Tauscher were exiting their prime yet never selected or signed a player that projected to be a bookend LT. We have a right-handed QB so LT is the most important. Instead we decided to rely on the now oft-injured Clifton to fill the role again, and here we are. It's a bad positions to be in especially because we have a first year starter at the other tackle spot. Shaky tackle play on both sides of the line will doom any team. I'm not entirely blaming Ted Thompson on this, it's not like we expected to lose both of our starting tackles in one season--I just wish he had a little better foresight and at least brought in someone to compete for the tackle jobs.

I'm happy with the way our team is built right now but I hope that Ted Thompson throws out his rule book for at least the first round next year and grabs us a solid tackle.

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