I don't think waivers have anything to do with the I.R. but I could be wrong.

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In order to go on injured reserve, you have to clear waivers.

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I don't mean to question you guys but I think your mistaken.

I never remember hearing anything about clearing waivers for the I.R.... and wasn't Tom Brady on the I.R. last year after the perseason injury? No way Tom Brady cleared waivers.

I don't think Brady was on the active roster ether.

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I think it's the subtleties that are confusing people. I think the actual rule is a team cannot place a player whom they have released on injured reserve until he has cleared waivers. The sources I'm finding on this are confusing and fragmentary; when I find a solid source, I'll be sure to link to it.

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I start with fixed idea and then fillit in and then make adjustments.

53 equals: 24 defense, 26 offense, 3 specialists.

24 defense changes this year with the 3-4.

Template says 7 or 8 D linemen, 7 or 8 LB's, 9 DB's


D line (7): Pickett, Jenkins, Jolly, Raji, Montgomery, Wynn, plus 1.

LB's (8): Hawk, Chiller, Poppinga, Kampmann, Matthews, Bishop, Thompson, Barnett.

DB's (9): CB Woodson, Harris, Williams, Blackmon, plus 1. Safety Rouse, Collins, Smith, Bigby.


Offense 26 is usually 8 O-line, 5 WR, 3 TE, 3 QB, 3RB, 2 FB's.

O-line (8): Spitz, Colledge, Sitton, Barbre, Wells, Clifton, Giacomini, Lang.
WR (5): Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Martin.
TE (3): Lee, Finley, Havner(LB and ST too)
QB (3): Rodgers, Flynn, Brohm
RB (3): Grant, Jackson, Sutton
FB (2): Hall, Johnson.

* Note where plus one is listed no one especially Harrell or Lee has earned that roster spot.


For grins the practice squad:

CB Underwood
LB Jones and Obiozor
OT Meredith
DE Talley
WR Swain and Allen
TE Evan Moore


At least one of the above will be signed elsewhere and Evan Dietrich-Smith is added late.

I think keeping Havner let's them go lighter at LB. The DB's are what will screw up the numbers most.

But then every year there are 2 guys make it I think should be cut and 2 guys cut I think should make it.

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I try to do it based on talent more.... then again I did add Meredith just because I think most teams keep 9 OL and because someone needs to be backing up Clifton.

Why 24 for D and 26 for O? I generally think 25 and 25....

Also I don't see the Packers cutting Woodson, Harris, Williams, Blackmon, Lee or Underwood. Lee has been injured but has too much talent to cut and the other five have show enough on the field to not get cut IMO.

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1) see my PM. You have to cut somewhere.

2) McCarthy is an offensive guy and the there is more talent to keep on the Offensive side of the ball. I think he goes with 26 O. Not a good reason but anything can happen.

3) The DB's are the ones that will affect other positions the most. What happens there affects everything else.

See the message I sent you, beast. We are not that far apart.

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I'd cut Hall and Kuhn and move Wynn to FB. Dude's big enough, and he's tough. He can also pass protect.
As for Harrell, I'd keep him, but if I could pick somebody up from another team's cuts, I'd consider PUPing him or stashing him on IR.
A player does NOT have to clear waivers to go on IR, but you can't bring them back once they are on IR. You'd have to release them, and then they would have to go through the waiver process, where all the other teams could claim him before he would become a free agent. Then, when he's a free agent, you could pick him up.
So basically, IR means you're done for the season.

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Yes he's big enough.... but then again big doesn't mean a thing... other than big... Jolly is big enough to be a NT.... but he would suck at it because he's style is one gap and NT is a two gap position (other than with the Cowboys). Just like I don't think Wynn style would let him be a FB. You have to block on the run which Wynn hasn't shown... he can pass block but that's about it as a FB... Kuhn would be so much better than Wynn as FB same with Hall. I don't think Wynn at FB would be a good thing... he's a RB.




Harrell is the hardest one to tell because it depends on his back and there have been no updates on that. He's career could be over or they thing he could play 12 snaps a game depending on who you listen to.



That sounds right to me.

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An attempt at the final 53.. "bear" in mind.. they will probably hit the waiver wire at least once..

QB

Aaron Rodgers
Brian Brohm
Matt Flynn

RB

Ryan Grant
Brandon Jackson
Tyrell Sutton

Hard to cut Wynn from the team.. but availability and durability final catch up to him.

FB (Keeping Hall and Kuhn both is a special teams consideration)

Korey Hall
John Kuhn (Can fill in the short yardage bruiser back role of Wynn, remember he was a HB at one time)
Quinn Johnson

WR

Donald Driver
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Ruvell Martin (Wins out due to no one else really stepping up)

TE - Hell of a 1,2 punch

Donald Lee
Jermichael Finley
Spencer Havner

T

Allen Barbre
Breno Giacomini
Chad Clifton
Jamon Meredith

Moll's days end with the Packers.

G

Daryn Colledge
Josh Sitton
T.J. Lang

Spitz being able to move around on the interior allows the team to go with 3.

C

Jason Spitz
Scott Wells


DL

Cullen Jenkins
Jarius Wynn
Johnny Jolly
Michael Montgomery
B.J. Raji
Ryan Pickett


LB (Go with 8 plus Havner as depth.. hardest cuts here with Jones and Lansanah.. either might make the team if we deal a player)

A.J. Hawk
Aaron Kampman
Brady Poppinga
Brandon Chillar
Clay Matthews
Desmond Bishop
Jeremy Thompson (After seeing him stiff in preseason.. no sure about this one.)
Nick Barnett

CB

Al Harris
Brandon Underwood (kept because he wouldn't pass through waivers)
Charles Woodson
Pat Lee
Tramon Williams
Will Blackmon

S

Anthony Smith
Atari Bigby
Jarrett Bush
Nick Collins

Rouse is a bubble player.. can he come back and help soon is a major question... without having the inside information.. I think he is waived with hopes of resigning him at a later date if needed.

K

Mason Crosby

P

Jeremy Kapinos - (Unless Ted tries it again.. kidding)

LS

Brett Goode


Practice Squad bound?

Brad Jones
Danny Lansanah

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