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Tuesday Packers Practice: Raji, Sutton, and Montgomery 

by Brandon on Aug 19, 2009 12:00 PM CDT in News

I know it's not QB Brett Favre news, but I'm sure some people (like me) are interested in what's going on with the guys who are currently wearing Green Bay Packers jerseys.

The practice schedule: there were two practices on Tuesday, Wednesday's an off day, two on Thursday, private practice on Friday, and then the Buffalo Bills travel to Lambeau on Saturday.

Reports from practice were rather subdued and distracted by all the Favre talk. But a couple things to note:

* The big news with DT B.J. Raji is that he's been practicing a lot. Although he missed about 12 practices due to his late signing, he's been playing in the 3-4 base defense and in the nickel defense (a 4-2-5 alignment). He's kept himself in shape and the coaches aren't holding him back. But he hasn't been blowing them away in practice either.

* We've been discussing why there isn't more talk about undrafted free agent RB Tyrell Sutton. I discussed a couple points in in the linked FanPost, but another problem is that he's not good at picking up the blitz, which is essential for a running back, especially a potential 3rd down back.

* One surprise last Saturday was that DE Michael Montgomery started at left end. I expected DE Johnny Jolly would start, but apparently he didn't because the coaches are still holding him back as he recovers from an ankle injury suffered early in training camp. Montgomery's played well as far as I can tell, he almost made another great play in practice on Tuesday, but at 273 lbs., he's the lightest player still considered a defensive lineman. What's so odd about Montgomery starting at left end is that position has usually been played by much bigger guys like Jolly (320 lbs.), Raji (337 lbs.), and DE Justin Harrell (320 lbs.)

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DarkaneRules
15 years ago
Get Jolly healthy and give Monty some quality reps. Not a bad plan in my opinion.

This blocking knock on Sutton I think can be addressed. It comes down to if he gives us bigger upside than Wynn and Lumpkin by the time we have to cut down. Those two and their injury history so far... who knows!

Raji has a learning curve here. People seem to be making a huge stink that hasn't won too many match-ups yet like he won't sooner or later. He just got here!
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LambeauEast
15 years ago
The blitz pick-up was Jackson's big knock his first season as well. It takes time for certain guys....especially if you're 5'8"!
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Rockmolder
15 years ago
Good news. The only thing that I'm surprised about is that Raji 'only' plays in the 3-4 and the 4-2-5 nickel. Who do they currently start over Raji in the 2-4-5? Pickett, obviously, but who else? Montgomery? Jolly, when he's healthy?

I just asumed that Raji and Pickett would create the biggest push and take up the most blockers, leaving some holes for the blitzing LBs. I hope that this is just temorary, untill Raji has fully absorbed the 3-4 and 4-2-5 schemes.
Rios39
15 years ago
I think Raji will be in the 2-4 soon. He's only had 2 practices. But he's been looking good.
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Greg C.
15 years ago

Who do they currently start over Raji in the 2-4-5? Pickett, obviously, but who else? Montgomery? Jolly, when he's healthy?

"Rockmolder" wrote:



I did not know that the Packers ever used a 2-4-5. That sounds like a third-and-long type of defense to me, in which case I would expect them to use pass rushers on the line, like Cullen Jenkins and...well, come to think of it, I don't know if we have any other pass rushing D-linemen right now. Maybe move Kampman up to the line and put a different OLB in his spot.
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earthquake
15 years ago
Actually i think it was reported, in practices atleast that their nickle package is actually a 2-4-5, so the 4-2-5 thing may be a typo there. From what i understand their nickle is always 2-4-5.

If you think about it the 2-4-5 and 4-2-5 would be essentially the same personal anyway


              Raji    Picket
Kampman                         Thompson
             Barnet  Chillar

or


Kampman       Raji    Picket    Thompson
         
             Barnet  Chillar
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Rios39
15 years ago

Who do they currently start over Raji in the 2-4-5? Pickett, obviously, but who else? Montgomery? Jolly, when he's healthy?

"Greg C." wrote:



I did not know that the Packers ever used a 2-4-5. That sounds like a third-and-long type of defense to me, in which case I would expect them to use pass rushers on the line, like Cullen Jenkins and...well, come to think of it, I don't know if we have any other pass rushing D-linemen right now. Maybe move Kampman up to the line and put a different OLB in his spot.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



You want your pass rushers to be in the LB crew for this. The purpose of it is not to drop 4 LBs into coverage. They'll mix up blitzes with he Db's and LB's when they run this. So they'll need 2 nice sized D-Liners to push the pocket back and create lanes for the LBers to get to the QB.

The Ravens run a lot of this 2-4-5 and they don't use it to rush 2 and drop everyone back, they bring almost everyone to the line and blitz a few and drop others back. It's to cause miss-matches and confusion. I actually seen the Packers use it a few times in the Browns game. Makes you go "wtf" when you look at it, you'll see 4-6 guys around the line of scrimmage.
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earthquake
15 years ago
I guess you could run:

Kamp, Raji, Picket/Jolly, Jenkins in a 4-2-5, but i dont see this team in a rush to get that many DLinemen on the field at the same time, not in a passing situation atleast.
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bboystyle
15 years ago
Raji will grow in due time...I remember Mario Williams hype his rookie year and after his first year no one was sure if he would pan out well to be the player he was hyped to be..well he proved them wrong! point is,many expect Raji to come in and dominate which is not fair...He might get 3-4 sacks next year or none...hes a rookie and is in a process of learning this D and fitting in to the NFL from college....It may even take him 3 years before he shows why we took him at the #9 spot..
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