Pack93z
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15 years ago
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Green Bay Many people have assumed that first-round draft choice B.J. Raji is the one holding up negotiations, waiting until players selected around him consummate deals so he can make sure he doesn't undersell himself.

But what if the Green Bay Packers are the ones stalling?

They have as much to lose as Raji if they sign him to a big-money deal and Jacksonville's Eugene Monroe, chosen one spot ahead of Raji, signs a below-market deal. Everyone is wondering what No. 10 pick Michael Crabtree's contract will look like because he is reportedly negotiating like he's a No. 5 pick. .

There have been indications that the Packers are in a holding pattern while they wait to see what pick Nos. 6, 8, 10, 11 and 12 do. The Packers haven't exactly laid out an ultimatum to Raji that he better get in soon or he'll lose his starting spot and they continue to say they understand that it's just business.

Asked why Raji wasn't in camp yet, general manager Ted Thompson said:

"If I had the answer to that, he'd probably be signed. I think the higher you get in rounds, it seems like with the first-round guys there are a little more complications and a little more wondering what the other guy is going to do. But we're working at it. Everybody's trying to do the right thing. We'll get it worked out."

The top 10 in this draft have been as unusual as any in quite some time.

The Detroit Lions gave No. 1 pick Matthew Stafford a 39% increase in guaranteed money over 2008 No. 1 pick Jake Long in order to get the Georgia quarterback signed prior to draft day. The New York Jets followed by giving USC quarterback Mark Sanchez $28 million in guarantees, topping the 2008 No. 5 pick by more than 40%.

Then the Oakland Raiders gave No. 7 pick, receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, a 20% increase in signing bonus money, raising the ante for everyone in the top 10. In a normal year, the percentage of increase over last year would taper down dramatically, but the market is different this year.

Adding to the logjam is Crabtree's insistence that he be paid top 5 money. He was projected to be the No. 1 pick, but fell because of a foot injury. Nevertheless, his agent is reportedly seeking a premium for his services.

If the 49ers deliver that premium, everyone around Crabtree is going to want it, too.

"Everyone is waiting for Crabtree," said an agent who represents one of the unsigned players.

Apparently, that means the clubs, too, because there doesn't seem to be much movement going on with the remaining nine unsigned players: No. 3 Tyson Jackson, Kansas City; No. 4 Aaron Curry, Seattle; No. 6 Andre Smith, Cincinnati; No. 8 Monroe; No. 9 Raji; No. 10 Crabtree; No. 11 Aaron Maybin, Buffalo; No. 12 Knowshon Moreno, Denver; and No. 14 Malcolm Jenkins, New Orleans.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
15 years ago
As the pick one pick below Crabtree, are we not in the worst possible position of all the clubs trying to break the logjam?

What can our FO offer that would be acceptable?

This is a SLOT problem COUPLED with a (probable) "I want to get paid like a (select slot you think he thinks he should get paid like) slot makes".

I don't buy any fear that Eugene Monroe is in any danger of signing a below market deal. That is not logical, imo.

Rather than fight about this, why don't we turn this into a discussion about what we think is a fair offer for Raji right now, taking into account the logjam, and assuming that we go first?

I say we offer 23 million 5 years Around 14.5 guaranteed.

I don't like that deal, but in the present circumstances it is more than reasonable...Actually, we are getting hosed, but at least no one could say it is GB's FO's "fault" for having that kind of deal on the table for him, imo.
porky88
15 years ago
I kind of figured this. The Packers are not going to set the market. They're a conservative team when it comes to paying their players and rarely do you see them to go out of their way to set standards. Maybe the Aaron Rodgers deal could be used as an exception.
Pack93z
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15 years ago

I kind of figured this. The Packers are not going to set the market. They're a conservative team when it comes to paying their players and rarely do you see them to go out of their way to set standards. Maybe the Aaron Rodgers deal could be used as an exception.

"porky88" wrote:



Exactly the reason that we are always pushing the deadline to get deals done.. going first isn't always a bad thing, especially if you can work a fair deal in the process.

I fail to see why all teams and agents wait until crunch time to get this deals done.. puts artificial pressure on the negotiations and will probably lead to some provisions that is unfair to one side or the other..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
DakotaT
15 years ago

Exactly the reason that we are always pushing the deadline to get deals done.. going first isn't always a bad thing, especially if you can work a fair deal in the process.

I fail to see why all teams and agents wait until crunch time to get this deals done.. puts artificial pressure on the negotiations and will probably lead to some provisions that is unfair to one side or the other..

"pack93z" wrote:




Didn't we jump off this cliff the other day?
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Pack93z
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15 years ago


Exactly the reason that we are always pushing the deadline to get deals done.. going first isn't always a bad thing, especially if you can work a fair deal in the process.

I fail to see why all teams and agents wait until crunch time to get this deals done.. puts artificial pressure on the negotiations and will probably lead to some provisions that is unfair to one side or the other..

"DakotaT" wrote:




Didn't we jump off this cliff the other day?

"pack93z" wrote:



Probably.. who is cliff jumping though.. my only point is we are missing a cog on the team and the system overall sucks for getting players into camp on time. Now we have teams, agents and god knows who waiting for a single player to sign.. it is a joke.

BTW... I had deleted this thread once already today.. Foster wanted to rant some more..

The CBA in general needs improvement in getting rookies into camp on time. It is a glitch that needs to be addressed.

Going into the last thread, I found it odd that the Packers weren't issuing any type of address to Raji not being signed.. and really still haven't... seems like all teams are becoming passive on getting players in this year..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
15 years ago


Exactly the reason that we are always pushing the deadline to get deals done.. going first isn't always a bad thing, especially if you can work a fair deal in the process.

I fail to see why all teams and agents wait until crunch time to get this deals done.. puts artificial pressure on the negotiations and will probably lead to some provisions that is unfair to one side or the other..

"pack93z" wrote:




Didn't we jump off this cliff the other day?

"DakotaT" wrote:



Probably.. who is cliff jumping though.. my only point is we are missing a cog on the team and the system overall sucks for getting players into camp on time. Now we have teams, agents and god knows who waiting for a single player to sign.. it is a joke.

BTW... I had delete this thread once already today.. Foster wanted to rant some more..

The CBA in general needs improvement in getting rookies into camp on time. It is a glitch that needs to be addressed.

"pack93z" wrote:



Talk about a hose job, lol.
Poor Z--
I egged him into posting this and then he gets jumped on for doing it.

OK-- Let's try the "fault list" (With an eye towards a little HUMOR-you guys remember humor? We used to have it in Wisconsin before the Bret...)

No. 1 on my list of who is at fault?

Al Davis' physician.



If he had been properly administering the old coots' meds, that geezer would have never taken DHB prior to Crabtree, which in turn caused Crabtree's agent and him to decide...yada yada yada

Couple that with not only taking DHB, but then overpaying, yada yada yada

The doc must have realized that 'ol Al wasn't taking his meds and switched to an IV or something...

Sorry Z--

I guess everyone wants to talk about last year still, or Vick or something.

I'm going to start an AA chapter.

asstards anonymous

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Hey Dave!
Pack93z
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15 years ago
No worries at all...

Personally, for the Packers and their thin numbers along the defensive line this is a huge issue.

I love all the news coming out of Green Bay so far in camp, the attitude, the intensity, the hitting.. and here a major portion of the machine is sitting on the sidelines.. and everyone seems indifferent about it.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
DakotaT
15 years ago


Exactly the reason that we are always pushing the deadline to get deals done.. going first isn't always a bad thing, especially if you can work a fair deal in the process.

I fail to see why all teams and agents wait until crunch time to get this deals done.. puts artificial pressure on the negotiations and will probably lead to some provisions that is unfair to one side or the other..

"dfosterf" wrote:




Didn't we jump off this cliff the other day?

"pack93z" wrote:



Probably.. who is cliff jumping though.. my only point is we are missing a cog on the team and the system overall sucks for getting players into camp on time. Now we have teams, agents and god knows who waiting for a single player to sign.. it is a joke.

BTW... I had delete this thread once already today.. Foster wanted to rant some more..

The CBA in general needs improvement in getting rookies into camp on time. It is a glitch that needs to be addressed.

"DakotaT" wrote:



Talk about a hose job, lol.
Poor Z--
I egged him into posting this and then he gets jumped on for doing it.

OK-- Let's try the "fault list" (With an eye towards a little HUMOR-you guys remember humor? We used to have it in Wisconsin before the Bret...)

No. 1 on my list of who is at fault?

Al Davis' physician.



If he had been properly administering the old coots' meds, that geezer would have never taken DHB prior to Crabtree, which in turn caused Crabtree's agent and him to decide...yada yada yada

Couple that with not only taking DHB, but then overpaying, yada yada yada

The doc must have realized that 'ol Al wasn't taking his meds and switched to an IV or something...

Sorry Z--

I guess everyone wants to talk about last year still, or Vick or something.

I'm going to start an AA chapter.

asstards anonymous

Hi! I'm dfosterf and I'm an asstard




Hey Dave!

"pack93z" wrote:





Great now I have both Sgt Slaughters up my asstard. Remember I have an electric winch to pull you up with. Jump away.
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Greg C.
15 years ago
I can't remember the last time the Packers had this much trouble signing a first-round pick. And this is in spite of the fact that there seems to be no animosity between the team and Raji. Just a weird market.

I agree with dfosterf that it seems unlikely that the Packers would be stalling because Eugene Monroe might sign a below-market deal. The players' agents are the ones whose reputations are riding on these deals. An agent is far more likely to insist on an above-market deal than a front office is to insist on a below-market deal.
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