Zero2Cool
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16 years ago

Holy shit isn't the 4 minutes up yet damn. I am seeing alot of replays going on and i still don't know who won 😛 Hopefully we don't goto overtime on this thread :p

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Wow, pay attention. We went 0 for 8. Duh. Obviously, the other team won!
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earthquake
16 years ago
Great post warhawk.
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dd80forever
16 years ago

No matter what you say warhawk, he'll just disagree because Favre doesn't play here anymore. He's a one trick pony and you'll never change his mind.

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And it's garbage like this, when 2 people are having a healthy debate, that pollutes this site.

If you have something to add, do it, or move on with your worn-out drivel
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dd80forever
16 years ago

There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.

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That's fine but that's not what your gigging him on so it's not really what you want.

In the Carolina game the guy leads them to 24 second half points on four drives 32, 95, 79, and, 76 yards. Only to see our lousy ST's give up two consecutive 50 yard returns. We end up with the ball on our SEVENTEEN and 1:30 left needing a TD to win. That's a far cry from what you WANT. That's no "buzzer beater." That's asking a guy thats already scored 40 to make a three quarters court shot too.

That's not 3:00. Jacksonville was not three minutes.

With 4:37 left against Houston he throws a bomb to Driver for 59 yards and then we get the phantom hold on Grants run to the 13. Now, did our QB give us a "fighting chance" to win? Did he fold here?

Look. Arod played poorly at the end of the Atlanta game and the end of the Tampa game. AFTER THAT, and I think this is what is important, he played better and did his part at the end of games. No, he didn't pull out 87 yard miracles.

I would put it like this. In a lot of games he didn't make a buzzer beater to win...but made some mighty nice bounce passes to guys wide open that blew it.

"dd80forever" wrote:




The problem with that analogy is in the clutch you don't make a "bounce-pass" to someone else, you put the game on your shoulders and deliver.

1:30 is enough time to move the team or at least get a shot at the endzone.

I don't deal in excuses. You want to be clutch you take the credit when you suuceed and the blame when you fail.
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16 years ago

There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.

"dd80forever" wrote:



That's fine but that's not what your gigging him on so it's not really what you want.

In the Carolina game the guy leads them to 24 second half points on four drives 32, 95, 79, and, 76 yards. Only to see our lousy ST's give up two consecutive 50 yard returns. We end up with the ball on our SEVENTEEN and 1:30 left needing a TD to win. That's a far cry from what you WANT. That's no "buzzer beater." That's asking a guy thats already scored 40 to make a three quarters court shot too.

That's not 3:00. Jacksonville was not three minutes.

With 4:37 left against Houston he throws a bomb to Driver for 59 yards and then we get the phantom hold on Grants run to the 13. Now, did our QB give us a "fighting chance" to win? Did he fold here?

Look. Arod played poorly at the end of the Atlanta game and the end of the Tampa game. AFTER THAT, and I think this is what is important, he played better and did his part at the end of games. No, he didn't pull out 87 yard miracles.

I would put it like this. In a lot of games he didn't make a buzzer beater to win...but made some mighty nice bounce passes to guys wide open that blew it.

"warhawk" wrote:




The problem with that analogy is in the clutch you don't make a "bounce-pass" to someone else, you put the game on your shoulders and deliver.

1:30 is enough time to move the team or at least get a shot at the endzone.

I don't deal in excuses. You want to be clutch you take the credit when you suuceed and the blame when you fail.

"dd80forever" wrote:



That's a real convenient position there Mr. Cliche.

No facts, no stats, to back up how often it ever happens but hey, "just put it on your shoulders and bring 'er home there buddy" sounds great.
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16 years ago

There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.

"dd80forever" wrote:



That's fine but that's not what your gigging him on so it's not really what you want.

In the Carolina game the guy leads them to 24 second half points on four drives 32, 95, 79, and, 76 yards. Only to see our lousy ST's give up two consecutive 50 yard returns. We end up with the ball on our SEVENTEEN and 1:30 left needing a TD to win. That's a far cry from what you WANT. That's no "buzzer beater." That's asking a guy thats already scored 40 to make a three quarters court shot too.

That's not 3:00. Jacksonville was not three minutes.

With 4:37 left against Houston he throws a bomb to Driver for 59 yards and then we get the phantom hold on Grants run to the 13. Now, did our QB give us a "fighting chance" to win? Did he fold here?

Look. Arod played poorly at the end of the Atlanta game and the end of the Tampa game. AFTER THAT, and I think this is what is important, he played better and did his part at the end of games. No, he didn't pull out 87 yard miracles.

I would put it like this. In a lot of games he didn't make a buzzer beater to win...but made some mighty nice bounce passes to guys wide open that blew it.

"warhawk" wrote:




The problem with that analogy is in the clutch you don't make a "bounce-pass" to someone else, you put the game on your shoulders and deliver.

1:30 is enough time to move the team or at least get a shot at the endzone.

I don't deal in excuses. You want to be clutch you take the credit when you suuceed and the blame when you fail.

"dd80forever" wrote:



If you bounce pass it to them so that they're wide open and they miss a dunk you delivered and they didn't. One person doesn't and can't do everything, even more so in football than in basketball.
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cheeseheads123
16 years ago

There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.

"dd80forever" wrote:



That's fine but that's not what your gigging him on so it's not really what you want.

In the Carolina game the guy leads them to 24 second half points on four drives 32, 95, 79, and, 76 yards. Only to see our lousy ST's give up two consecutive 50 yard returns. We end up with the ball on our SEVENTEEN and 1:30 left needing a TD to win. That's a far cry from what you WANT. That's no "buzzer beater." That's asking a guy thats already scored 40 to make a three quarters court shot too.

That's not 3:00. Jacksonville was not three minutes.

With 4:37 left against Houston he throws a bomb to Driver for 59 yards and then we get the phantom hold on Grants run to the 13. Now, did our QB give us a "fighting chance" to win? Did he fold here?

Look. Arod played poorly at the end of the Atlanta game and the end of the Tampa game. AFTER THAT, and I think this is what is important, he played better and did his part at the end of games. No, he didn't pull out 87 yard miracles.

I would put it like this. In a lot of games he didn't make a buzzer beater to win...but made some mighty nice bounce passes to guys wide open that blew it.

"warhawk" wrote:




The problem with that analogy is in the clutch you don't make a "bounce-pass" to someone else, you put the game on your shoulders and deliver.

1:30 is enough time to move the team or at least get a shot at the endzone.

I don't deal in excuses. You want to be clutch you take the credit when you suuceed and the blame when you fail.

"dd80forever" wrote:

The problem with your analogy is you are forgetting football is a team sport. Sure you can put the game on your shoulders and deliver, but what happens when your TEAM lets you down. There is only so much a quaterback can do. Its not his fault someone dropped a pass, blown coverage, or missed a field goal. Last time i checked football was a team sport. You act like the quarter back has control of everything. When your coach decides to run the ball 3 straight downs you really dont have that much control in the clutch. My point is you can only carry a football team so far. You're teammates have to step up in the clutch also. Unlike basketball where you can have the ball in your hands every trip down the floor and not have to rely on your team making a basket. Only yourself.

EDIT: After reading it over it looks like im saying basketball isn't a team sport. No no I didn't actually mean it that way. Basketball is a team sport which i love. I just meant football has more to do with team. Sorry just didn't want any basketball fans hating on me 🙂
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16 years ago
Really, this argument is amazing. 8 freaking pages of nonsense.

The craziness has moved from the Favre section to over here.

Can't we all just get long.......
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16 years ago



Can't we all just get long.......

"Gravedigga" wrote:


No. Favre is the Anti Christ, Aaron Rodgers is a choker, and there is NO middle ground. Get with the program!
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16 years ago
Since when is Basketball a team game? Have you watched the Lakers or Cavs play it's pretty much give Kobe or King James the ball and get out of the way and if they don't make a shot they will get a foul called :P

Yes i'm bored with the same nonsense , this 4 minutes is lasting forever.
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Zero2Cool
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16 years ago

Really, this argument is amazing. 8 freaking pages of nonsense.

The craziness has moved from the Favre section to over here.

Can't we all just get long.......

"Gravedigga" wrote:



This goes to everyone and I'm going to use this post as an example. These types of posts do not help at all. As I've said before, these comments work as well as telling someone to not look down when they are up high.

If you have something to add to the discussion, add it. If you want to piss and moan about the bickering, don't post in the thread, find a different thread and post there.

I hope this isn't asking too much of us all.




As per this thread. After I posted the video, I only checked one page or so of threads after that. Read a post here and there, that was it.

dd80 says the Packers are 0 - 8 in come back attempts and puts it on Rodgers. So be it. I think he's wrong, but he is right that it is a stat that is linked more directly to the QB and team than any other player. Just like an interception. IF the ball hits the WR in the hands, pops up and is picked off. It goes against the QB. Is it fair? No, but on the flip side of the QB throws a pass and its tipped at the line and one of his receivers catches it for a TD, he still gets the credit.

All in all, things even out. I'm really not sure what more can be contributed to this thread. If you have something new to add, by all means add it. If not, please find a new thread to partake in and we can't wait to read your thoughts on that subject.

Thank you.

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dd80forever
16 years ago

Really, this argument is amazing. 8 freaking pages of nonsense.

The craziness has moved from the Favre section to over here.

Can't we all just get long.......

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



This goes to everyone and I'm going to use this post as an example. These types of posts do not help at all. As I've said before, these comments work as well as telling someone to not look down when they are up high.

If you have something to add to the discussion, add it. If you want to piss and moan about the bickering, don't post in the thread, find a different thread and post there.

I hope this isn't asking too much of us all.




As per this thread. After I posted the video, I only checked one page or so of threads after that. Read a post here and there, that was it.

dd80 says the Packers are 0 - 8 in come back attempts and puts it on Rodgers. So be it. I think he's wrong, but he is right that it is a stat that is linked more directly to the QB and team than any other player. Just like an interception. IF the ball hits the WR in the hands, pops up and is picked off. It goes against the QB. Is it fair? No, but on the flip side of the QB throws a pass and its tipped at the line and one of his receivers catches it for a TD, he still gets the credit.

All in all, things even out. I'm really not sure what more can be contributed to this thread. If you have something new to add, by all means add it. If not, please find a new thread to partake in and we can't wait to read your thoughts on that subject.

Thank you.

- Kevin

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A huge step in the right direction my friend.
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Zero2Cool
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16 years ago
appreciate the kind words, but that doesn't contribute to this thread's progression. post something new or post in a new thread please.

in fact, i wont lock this thread, but could someone post a new stat thing to look up? i like that stuff. its always interesting. 🙂
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cheeseheads123
16 years ago
I feel like this thread has been just straight fun debating. No one is really taking shots at each other. No ones is really taking it personal. People are just stating their opinions. its nice 🙂
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cheeseheads123
16 years ago

appreciate the kind words, but that doesn't contribute to this thread's progression. post something new or post in a new thread please.

in fact, i wont lock this thread, but could someone post a new stat thing to look up? i like that stuff. its always interesting. :)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Haha don't get me started with stats. i love them too 🙂. Give me sometime and i can probably put together something good for once.
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16 years ago
Ok Zero see if you can find out who this 1st year starter was his stats were:

4353 yards
41 tds
13 Ints
109.2 qb rating

0 comeback wins


They lost 3 games that year and all by 7 points or less and he turned out to be a pretty good qb.



Name that qb 😛
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dhazer
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16 years ago

Warner!

"IronMan" wrote:




Good job Ironman,


I was shocked to see his stats, I was checking to see if he had any comebacks but they only had 3 games the whole year decided by 7 points or less and they lost all 3 of them.
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16 years ago

Warner!

"dhazer" wrote:




Good job Ironman,


I was shocked to see his stats, I was checking to see if he had any comebacks but they only had 3 games the whole year decided by 7 points or less and they lost all 3 of them.

"IronMan" wrote:


Two of their playoff wins were decided by 7 points or less.
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16 years ago

Warner!

"IronMan" wrote:




Good job Ironman,


I was shocked to see his stats, I was checking to see if he had any comebacks but they only had 3 games the whole year decided by 7 points or less and they lost all 3 of them.

"dhazer" wrote:


Two of their playoff wins were decided by 7 points or less.

"IronMan" wrote:





I was only looking at the regular season sorry Iron. I guess you can say he had 2 comebacks that year then because they won late against Tampa and won late in the Super Bowl with under 2 minutes left but the main thing people remember from that game was the Titans getting stopped at the 1.


I guess if your going to have 2 comebacks the championship game and super bowl are the places to do it lol
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