Rockmolder
15 years ago

Matt Cassell last year with the Patriots... Brady is dropped in the opener and everyone believes the Pats are done.. the pressure that was placed upon Cassell was every bit equal to that of Rodgers.

Listen I am proud of Rodgers last season.. he played above most people's expectations but it wasn't a 'god' like effort either. He had been in the same system for three years as an understudy and was ready for the challenge.

Oh, and please don't try to argue that the receiving core in NE is that superior to GB, while Moss might be better than Jennings, Driver is every bit the player Welker is and we are deeper.... hell they struggled with the running game too.

There is plenty of room for Rodgers to improve and I am excited to see how it plays out this season..

"pack93z" wrote:



Have you seen the time that he holds on to the ball, though? He makes Bart Starr look like Peyton Manning. He had a worse season behind a very good O-line and, although you disagree, their starting WR couple is better than ours. I don't that Driver is worse than Welker, but he's not a guy who's always open and has 110+ reception seasons. Depth, I might agree with you on.

I think that they're both pretty close, though. Like you said as well.

He did have a lot of pressure on him, though, and he coped with that very well. He played like a top 10/15 QB easily this year. I just think that he's going to have a huge drop-off this year.
mi_keys
15 years ago

Matt Cassell last year with the Patriots... Brady is dropped in the opener and everyone believes the Pats are done.. the pressure that was placed upon Cassell was every bit equal to that of Rodgers.

Listen I am proud of Rodgers last season.. he played above most people's expectations but it wasn't a 'god' like effort either. He had been in the same system for three years as an understudy and was ready for the challenge.

Oh, and please don't try to argue that the receiving core in NE is that superior to GB, while Moss might be better than Jennings, Driver is every bit the player Welker is and we are deeper.... hell they struggled with the running game too.

There is plenty of room for Rodgers to improve and I am excited to see how it plays out this season..

"pack93z" wrote:



Cassel had the exact same time (3 years) in the system learning everything. Just because no one was expecting Brady to leave or be injured doesn't mean he wasn't preparing to step in if needed. He had a great team around him to come into and to his credit he played very well. But I don't think you can say he had the same pressure put on him. Every Pats fan I know felt like well whatever he does is gravy, we'll be back next year with Brady. The pressure he faced was like an audition. It was his chance to get his name out there so he could get a starting job somewhere else the next year. He was under pressure, but not the same level of pressure that Rodgers faced.
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dd80forever
15 years ago

Matt Cassell last year with the Patriots... Brady is dropped in the opener and everyone believes the Pats are done.. the pressure that was placed upon Cassell was every bit equal to that of Rodgers.

Listen I am proud of Rodgers last season.. he played above most people's expectations but it wasn't a 'god' like effort either. He had been in the same system for three years as an understudy and was ready for the challenge.

Oh, and please don't try to argue that the receiving core in NE is that superior to GB, while Moss might be better than Jennings, Driver is every bit the player Welker is and we are deeper.... hell they struggled with the running game too.

There is plenty of room for Rodgers to improve and I am excited to see how it plays out this season..

"mi_keys" wrote:



Cassel had the exact same time (3 years) in the system learning everything. Just because no one was expecting Brady to leave or be injured doesn't mean he wasn't preparing to step in if needed. He had a great team around him to come into and to his credit he played very well. But I don't think you can say he had the same pressure put on him. Every Pats fan I know felt like well whatever he does is gravy, we'll be back next year with Brady. The pressure he faced was like an audition. It was his chance to get his name out there so he could get a starting job somewhere else the next year. He was under pressure, but not the same level of pressure that Rodgers faced.

"pack93z" wrote:




To me that is where the argument for Cassel having MORE pressure makes sense.

Cassel was playing for his career. If he would have bombed during his big chance no way he gets anything close to the payday he got.

Rodgers had his payday early on, and has no viable threat to take his job. GB is going to give A-Rod a chance one way or the other. NE was not going to do that with Cassel
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cheeseheads123
15 years ago

Matt Cassell last year with the Patriots... Brady is dropped in the opener and everyone believes the Pats are done.. the pressure that was placed upon Cassell was every bit equal to that of Rodgers.

"pack93z" wrote:

See but you just said it yourself. Everyone thought the pats were done for. No one expected Cassell to be this good quarterback. To me that isn't close to the pressure that was put on Rodgers. Favre retires, then wants to come back. Ted chooses Rodgers to run his offense. Not only does Rodgers have the pressure of taking over for the mighty Favre, but also the pressure of proving to Ted and everyone else that Ted and company made the right decision, choosing Rodgers over Favre right after he led his team to an appearance to the nfc championship. Don't get me wrong Cassell had a lot of pressure on him, but just not as much as Rodgers did.
musccy
15 years ago
You're right DD that this was basically Cassel's only shot...if he bonked last season he's going to be riding the pine for a long time, if even that.

Rodgers I think was in a similar boat...maybe he'd be given a little more leeway since there wasn't a great option behind him, but if he sucked last year, no doubt in my mind the packers bring in a vet, like rosenfelds (sp?) to provide security, and he's competing for his job again.
Pack93z
15 years ago

You're right Donald Driver that this was basically Cassel's only shot...if he bonked last season he's going to be riding the pine for a long time, if even that.

Rodgers I think was in a similar boat...maybe he'd be given a little more leeway since there wasn't a great option behind him, but if he sucked last year, no doubt in my mind the packers bring in a vet, like rosenfelds (sp?) to provide security, and he's competing for his job again.

"musccy" wrote:



Ding, Ding, Ding, that is why I used Cassell.. almost all the factors were similar, time in the league, system and talent around them.

We can slice the hairs on the receiving corps of both teams and compare the offensive lines.. but both lines are pass first, run second and the Pats like the Pack had it share of protection issues..

Have you seen the time that he holds on to the ball, though? He makes Bart Starr look like Peyton Manning.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Did you count the beats that Rodgers held the ball for the majority of the season.. he was a beat or two late at times..

To me, that is one of the clearest signs of a QB still gaining experience and confidence in his reads.. common among younger QB's. But that bodes well from Rodgers, because he is staying in the same system and doesn't have to relearn as much as Cassell will this season.

But back to the point, one can make a strong argument that Cassell pulled a very similar feat to Rodgers last season..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Didn't Cassell have a lot more time to throw the ball?


Anyhow, I'm sticking with my answer. Terry Bradshaw. Even the coach didn't like him.
Pack93z
15 years ago

Matt Cassell last year with the Patriots... Brady is dropped in the opener and everyone believes the Pats are done.. the pressure that was placed upon Cassell was every bit equal to that of Rodgers.

"cheeseheads123" wrote:

See but you just said it yourself. Everyone thought the pats were done for. No one expected Cassell to be this good quarterback. To me that isn't close to the pressure that was put on Rodgers. Favre retires, then wants to come back. Ted chooses Rodgers to run his offense. Not only does Rodgers have the pressure of taking over for the mighty Favre, but also the pressure of proving to Ted and everyone else that Ted and company made the right decision, choosing Rodgers over Favre right after he led his team to an appearance to the nfc championship. Don't get me wrong Cassell had a lot of pressure on him, but just not as much as Rodgers did.

"pack93z" wrote:



I will agree the media hype was greater for Rodgers than Cassell leading up to the season.. but I think it was Rodgers himself last season that he doesn't pay attention to what the media and fans are saying. Probably right around the time he told us to hop on board and shut up. 😉
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Cassell = Brady went down, fans knew he was coming back, did what he had to and did well
Rodgers = perception is the Packers chose HIM over the face of the franchise


Cassell and Rodgers, completely different pressures put on them. I highly doubt some little kid went up to Cassell during practice, flipped him off and said 'fuck you'.

Cassells predecessor was injured and would be returning. Fans knew this, everyone knew this.
Rodgers predecessor retired and unretired, leaving lots of uncertainty.



Rodgers got his chance because the former QB retired.
Cassell got his chance because the incumbent starter was lost for the 1 year.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Probably right around the time he told us to hop on board and shut up. ;)

"pack93z" wrote:



I dont feel I need to sell myself to the fans. They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut. -- Aaron Rodgers

Do you even know the context this was said? Do you know what was discussed prior to this comment? I'm not saying it was right, not at all, but to hold this grudge a year later for a man who made a mistake I think is kind of petty. Albeit, funny. 🙂 I'm thinking you're leaning more on the funny side of it rather than holding a grudge.

Rodgers would later say this in regards to the quote ...

"The hardest thing today and I've been pretty bummed out, to be honest is that I honestly care about the fans. I do. They make the team go," Rodgers said. "Hopefully our fans know how I really feel about them. Hopefully they think about the interactions I've had with them. I can't think of a single time where I've had a negative experience with a fan. That's my biggest fear that people look at (the quote) and say, 'The guy's arrogant, he hasn't done anything yet.' I realize that I haven't done anything yet. I've played one good game in the NFL in three years, and otherwise I've been a backup. I don't expect anyone to give me anything. I just don't want this quote to come off arrogant or as negative towards our fans.

"I'm going to let each individual search their own heart and let them decide what they think the question was or what questions were asked (to lead to the quote). To break down the quote as best as I can, the message I wanted to get out was, 'Let's move past myself, because it's not about me. Let's get on board with the Green Bay Packers of 2008.' I know the fans will cheer me or boo me depending on how I play. But let's not make it (only) about me, even though I'm at the most scrutinized position on field."

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