Packers by position: Running backs· Page 3

Greg C.
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15 years ago

I'm in full agreement that Brandon Jackson should get more touches. However, I won't base that on his average per carry through 45 carries when nearly half of them came in two games.

"SlickVision" wrote:

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Would Jackson's stats somehow be more meaningful if the carries were distributed more evenly throughout the season? The 7.3 YPC against Carolina was Jackson's best moment, as Grant was sidelined and Jackson was used as an every-down back in the second half of a very close game against a good defensive team.

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Zero2Cool
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15 years ago

#22

I'm in full agreement that Brandon Jackson should get more touches. However, I won't base that on his average per carry through 45 carries when nearly half of them came in two games.

"Greg C." wrote:

"SlickVision" wrote:

What I'm saying is Grant's 198 carries for 5.1 means more than Jacksons 45 carries for 5.5 a pop. And I'm not going to base my opinion (if any one is, I disagree with that) on his yards per carry after 45 carries.

His stats would have some meaning if they were a 100 or more. 45 carries not how you base a RB's performance. At least, not in my opinion, that's all I'm saying.

dfosterf
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15 years ago

#23

This is a WAG (wild-assed guess).

Wynn was still in the semi-craphouse with MM last year, possibly due to the public airing of the "unfairness" of his IR the previous year. He got released from that doghouse through hard work, which is continuing. Lesson well-learned.

Brandon Jackson was still in the semi-craphouse with MM last year, for his lack of production the previous year when given the job of workhorse back until Grant came on the scene and bailed out our running game. Fair? No.
True? Possibly---not probably---no word twists please.

Grant was given every benefit of the doubt due to having produced during those last games the previous year. Or, they are using him like a bar of soap until Jackson is ready. Again, possibly--not probably.

From what I have seen from all 3 of them (and I see good things from all of them) going into 2009, a big part of me thinks that Wynn should be given the opportunity OVER THE OTHER TWO.

I just see good things, man, good things (mostly) when the rock is in Wynn's hands...comparatively speaking.

Not a stat, and not anything I'm absolutely hung up about, just a personal "feeling".

PackFanWithTwins
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15 years ago

#24

While I like Jackson because of what I see as more versatility, the Yards Per stats are skewed because of McCarthy play calling. Look how much more time Grant had on the field. He caught 18 passes. Jackson with far less time caught 30.

I all but guarantee that defenses looked at who was in the back field, and played different. Almost like when they saw the dreaded U71 come out. Jackson is out, they have to cover the flats better and be more concerned about the back coming out of the back field. When Grant is in, they can play the WR and the run and give up the flats more because he is seldom thrown to.

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ILikeThePackers39
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15 years ago

#25

This is a WAG (wild-assed guess).

Wynn was still in the semi-craphouse with Mike McCarthy last year, possibly due to the public airing of the "unfairness" of his IR the previous year. He got released from that doghouse through hard work, which is continuing. Lesson well-learned.

Brandon Jackson was still in the semi-craphouse with Mike McCarthy last year, for his lack of production the previous year when given the job of workhorse back until Grant came on the scene and bailed out our running game. Fair? No.
True? Possibly---not probably---no word twists please.

Grant was given every benefit of the doubt due to having produced during those last games the previous year. Or, they are using him like a bar of soap until Jackson is ready. Again, possibly--not probably.

From what I have seen from all 3 of them (and I see good things from all of them) going into 2009, a big part of me thinks that Wynn should be given the opportunity OVER THE OTHER TWO.

I just see good things, man, good things (mostly) when the rock is in Wynn's hands...comparatively speaking.

Not a stat, and not anything I'm absolutely hung up about, just a personal "feeling".

"dfosterf" wrote:

I can see giving Wynn a fair shot, but while he's good between the tackles, I don't see a lot of shimmy when he runs. He's more straight-line like Grant is, and while that's good, the ex-RB in me wants to see something a little more exciting out there. Jackson's got some nice, elusive moves. I'd like to see him mixed in on 1st and 2nd downs, since he's a threat to catch the ball as well as run it, and when you see Grant or Wynn you pretty much know they're running the ball. Mean to say, I can see Wynn taking some carries from Grant (especially if Grant doesn't show some toughness like he did in '07), but I think Jackson's skill set needs to be on the field more, regardless.

And I still say that people shouldn't sleep on Lumpkin - I really liked what I saw from him last pre-season.

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all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

15 years ago

#26

Hm, interesting reading people's opinion on Grant... I disagree with most of them. I think Grant has exactly the right tools to be in this offense, I rate his ability on the second level as second to less than a handful of guys in the entire NFL. I really do; I think Grant has great elusiveness that can be utilized in our offense.

My problem with the overall running game is McCarthy's lack of commitment to establishing it. McCarthy talks big about establishing the run... well great, but how many times does he come out intending to do that? Not very many in my opinion...

What I'm liking this-offseason is that MM seems to realize that he needs to tweak some things. Continuity on the offense will be a great thing, and should help Grant.

As for the FB, I'm curious to see who wins the competition. The interesting thing is that I'm not sure who has a leg up going into the off-season workouts. Hall and Khun are vets, but they don't come close to blocking like QJ. Yet Quinn Johnson is inexperienced, even if a punishing lead blocker - you have to think it'll be tougher blocking bigger/stronger/quicker players right away.

I wonder if the Packers could keep Johnson on the PS for one year. Obviously that would mean Johnson makes a commitment that he won't sign elsewhere, which I'm not sure he would... should definitely be a fun TC battle to keep an eye on.

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zombieslayer
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15 years ago

#27

Screw the run. I'd actually like to see a more pass oriented offense with a lot more screens. If I were running the show, we'd be seeing a lot more of Jackson and Wynn and less of Grant, because I'm all about the screen pass when it comes to RBs. Yes, throw in the occasional run, but I see nothing wrong with a 70/30 pass/run ratio if it's scoring you points, getting first down after first down, and wearing opposing Ds down.

I miss the days of Ahman Green and to a lesser extent William Henderson. I like to make defenses worry where the ball is going.

If you have a guy like AP, you set up a run first team. Our offensive star isn't Ryan Grant, it's Greg Jennings (and Aaron Rodgers and Donald Driver).

You play the cards you got. If Ryan Grant wants to be on the field more, he better learn how to catch a screen pass. Jackson and Wynn can both do it.

Let's not forget the last SB we won was without even a 900 yard RB.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

15 years ago

#28

Ahman Green was not appreciated by some, I feel. Those who claim he was not an elite back I think are sadly mistaken. He could run, catch, block, he was the man during his prime. That was one helluva good move by Sherman.

DakotaT
Select Member

15 years ago

#29

"SlickVision" wrote:

Boy, I'm sorry I called you DA yesterday. This was a good post. Who was the loser DB we traded for him again?

zombieslayer
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15 years ago

#30

"SlickVision" wrote:

Who the heck said he wasn't an elite back? Whoever said that is now on my idiot list.

In terms of fantasy football (yes, fantasy football matters for RB production), he was #3 in 2001 and #3 in 2003. He was #3 in '01 and '03 in total yards from scrimmage. He got 20 TDs in '03, which was 2nd in the NFL (for any position). He was a Pro Bowler in '01, '02, '03, and '04. He was a damn good screen back.

Geez, I guess some people smoke too much crack. Anyone who would be disappointed in that much production in 4 years for a RB is an idiot. Realistically, the life expectancy of a RB is very short. He's 29th all-time in career rushing yards, which is pretty impressive.

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