earthquake
2 months ago

IMO
LT: Morgan's to lose, if not then Walker, Tom
LG: Banks, Rhyan , Belton
OC: Jenkins, , Monk, Rhyan
RG: Rhyan, Morgan, Belton
RT: Tom, Morgan, Bulaga

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



I didn't notice Bulaga (well done), but I did notice that you're the only person who listed Monk, the only natural center the Packers have on the roster that they drafted, as the backup center. Which I appreciate.

Morgan as the front runner at LT tho, I dunno about that.
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2 months ago

I didn't notice Bulaga (well done), but I did notice that you're the only person who listed Monk, the only natural center the Packers have on the roster that they drafted, as the backup center. Which I appreciate.

Morgan as the front runner at LT tho, I dunno about that.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 

If a healthy somewhat experienced first round pick Morgan is not the front runner at LT, then it was a bad pick.

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beast
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2 months ago

If a healthy somewhat experienced first round pick Morgan is not the front runner at LT, then it was a bad pick.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


I'm not saying your comment is true, BUT if it were true, then it's a bad pick as LT Walker is CLEARLY the front runner at LT going into camp.

Morgan could potentially beat him out... but he's certainly not the front runner going into the thing...
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earthquake
2 months ago

If a healthy somewhat experienced first round pick Morgan is not the front runner at LT, then it was a bad pick.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



That's a reasonable position. I think it's too early to judge, given that it's his second year and he spent much of the first year injured, we might not know who he is yet. He might be a really good guard too, which would be fine (imo) for a late 1st. But I don't think they have a role carved in stone for him yet. I think he's probably in the mix for a starting guard spot in '25 and competing at tackle in '26. I wouldn't complain if he looks good enough to snatch the LT spot this year, though.
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago

If a healthy somewhat experienced first round pick Morgan is not the front runner at LT, then it was a bad pick.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


I think he has to be a front runner for one of the starting five, it doesn't need to be LT. Why do you say if he's not front runner for LT in his 2nd year in the league, then it's a bad pick?

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2 months ago

Why do you say if he's not front runner for LT in his 2nd year in the league, then it's a bad pick?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Because with all due respect to other positions, left tackle, for right-handed quarterback, is the most important offensive line position... and it's not even close.

Having a strong left tackle affords the offensive coordinator to scheme differently than when you constantly have to chip and help out your left tackle in pass coverage.

I have never been a fan of the ”best 5” mind set for determining the starters on the offensive line. I believe that in team construction, you pinned down your left tackle 1st, and after that comes everything else. Many guards cannot play tackle, although most tackles can play guard. IIRC Jenkins who is and excellent guard and hopefully will be an excellent center was pedestrian at his time at left tackle. Not so long ago we all thought Billy Turner (I'm thinking of the guy we got from Denver, sorry if I got the name wrong) was supposed to be Mr. flexible and could play any position.
The fact of the matter is he was mediocre at all of them but barely adequate at tackle.

Generally, Super Bowl contending team have strong (even relative to their other linemen) left tackles.

From the draft tape I saw, Morgan has terrific feet which is the key attribute for a left tackle. Yes, his arms are 1/4 of an inch too short for the tape measure guys... but so were David Bakhtiari’s arms, and he was a terrific tackle, as he had spectacular feet.

I don't know whether or not this answers your question, but I think you can draft starting guards in the second and third round, but not so tackles. So given that I think he has great feet and was a first round draft choice I will be disappointed if he doesn't start at left tackle and perform very well.


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2 months ago

Because with all due respect to other positions, left tackle, for right-handed quarterback, is the most important offensive line position... and it's not even close.

Having a strong left tackle affords the offensive coordinator to scheme differently than when you constantly have to chip and help out your left tackle in pass coverage.

I have never been a fan of the ”best 5” mind set for determining the starters on the offensive line. I believe that in team construction, you pinned down your left tackle 1st, and after that comes everything else. Many guards cannot play tackle, although most tackles can play guard. IIRC Jenkins who is and excellent guard and hopefully will be an excellent center was pedestrian at his time at left tackle. Not so long ago we all thought Billy Turner (I'm thinking of the guy we got from Denver, sorry if I got the name wrong) was supposed to be Mr. flexible and could play any position.
The fact of the matter is he was mediocre at all of them but barely adequate at tackle.

Generally, Super Bowl contending team have strong (even relative to their other linemen) left tackles.

From the draft tape I saw, Morgan has terrific feet which is the key attribute for a left tackle. Yes, his arms are 1/4 of an inch too short for the tape measure guys... but so were David Bakhtiari’s arms, and he was a terrific tackle, as he had spectacular feet.

I don't know whether or not this answers your question, but I think you can draft starting guards in the second and third round, but not so tackles. So given that I think he has great feet and was a first round draft choice I will be disappointed if he doesn't start at left tackle and perform very well.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



Martha, I respect your opinion but I do have one comment to make.
In the olden day the best pass rusher lined up on the defensive left side. Not any more. A lot of teams can put up a very strong rush on their left side.
To me it is more critical to have the OT on the right side be your best lineman. If the QB is rolling right and you don't have a good RG and RT, the QB is rolling right into trouble. If the pass rush is coming from the left the QB has a little more time to look down field and decide if he can pass or if he has to take off and run.

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2 months ago

Martha, I respect your opinion but I do have one comment to make.
In the olden day the best pass rusher lined up on the defensive left side. Not any more. A lot of teams can put up a very strong rush on their left side.
To me it is more critical to have the OT on the right side be your best lineman. If the QB is rolling right and you don't have a good RG and RT, the QB is rolling right into trouble. If the pass rush is coming from the left the QB has a little more time to look down field and decide if he can pass or if he has to take off and run.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Thank you WPR.

Your points are well taken as
- Pressure in the quarterback's face AND
- Keeping the edge
are of paramount performance as it pertains to pressure on passing plays (I hope you appreciate the alliteration!!)

(Side note, One of the frustrating things about Rashad Gary last year was that when he did generate pressure it was at the expense of losing the edge)

Notwithstanding the foregoing, a QB can SEE that pressure coming and can do something about it.

He generally cannot see it from a blind side. Over the years, I have seen QB's with pedestrian pass protection (I can't help myself) on the blind side develop happy feet.

I am too lazy to do the work to prove my point, but I will bet you a shiny new dime that the average left tackle makes more than any position

Moreover, you make excellent points.

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beast
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2 months ago

I am too lazy to do the work to prove my point, but I will bet you a shiny new dime that the average left tackle makes more than any position

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Technically, based on what you actually said ... you technically owe someone a shiney new dime as on average QBs make more 😜

Yeah yeah yeah, you probably meant of the OL positions.... but that's not what you said 😉

And yeah, looking at the top 5 of the positions... only two RTs are inside the top 5 LT pay, and none of the interior OL, though the top OG got close the 5th LT.

Though the highest paid OT Tristan Wirfs, started 3 years at RT to start his career before moving over to LT.

Looks like WR and Edge Rushers also get paid better than LTs.
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2 months ago

Thank you WPR.

Your points are well taken as
- Pressure in the quarterback's face AND
- Keeping the edge
are of paramount performance as it pertains to pressure on passing plays (I hope you appreciate the alliteration!!)

(Side note, One of the frustrating things about Rashad Gary last year was that when he did generate pressure it was at the expense of losing the edge)

Notwithstanding the foregoing, a QB can SEE that pressure coming and can do something about it.

He generally cannot see it from a blind side. Over the years, I have seen QB's with pedestrian pass protection (I can't help myself) on the blind side develop happy feet.

I am too lazy to do the work to prove my point, but I will bet you a shiny new dime that the average left tackle makes more than any position

Moreover, you make excellent points.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



Normally a LT does make more than RT. But it is changing. Just like a team's best rusher might line up on the right side.
But for the most part you are correct.


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