dfosterf
6 months ago

That's extremely easy, clearly the Packers scout clearly liked him a hell lot better than you do.

I highly doubt it mainly or a majority of only Rich B., it was probably Defense too.

Also McDuffie, Eric Wilson and Kristen Welch are all going into FAs years, so this is hopefully stopping LB from being a need next year, with grabbing two this year.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Ken Lass over at CHTV called this pick a "Gutey flyer" I think that is where I am at as well.
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6 months ago
I really like this pick!
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beast
6 months ago

Ken Lass over at CHTV called this pick a "Gutey flyer" I think that is where I am at as well.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



I agree with blaming Gute a lot more than blaming the ST coach for such a high pick, well any pick really, but especially a high pick.

And I think it was Hooper, someone had a very high missed tackling percentage, but looks like he's smart in coverage, and has made plays being aggressive and they want to be aggressive.
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Zero2Cool
6 months ago

I agree with blaming Gute a lot more than blaming the ST coach for such a high pick, well any pick really, but especially a high pick.

And I think it was Hooper, someone had a very high missed tackling percentage, but looks like he's smart in coverage, and has made plays being aggressive and they want to be aggressive.

Originally Posted by: beast 


The deficiencies you see. Can they be coached to improvement? Some things you cannot coach some things you can. Ya know?
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6 months ago

The deficiencies you see. Can they be coached to improvement? Some things you cannot coach some things you can. Ya know?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Ya I know, and I haven't seen them, just read this

He ranked 119th with a missed-tackle rate of 23.3 percent (17 misses).



Just to be clear, I generally go with the stats as it's the best we got, but I don't always agree with them when I see the exact play.

Such as times there are drops are called on a WR, and I disagree, that WR did an absolutely amazing job just to adjust to the ball, contort his body, and get a hand on the ball, that was a 3% catch ball and he almost did it, don't fault him for that.

And also other times the WR did nothing but drop it, why aren't they counting that as a drop?

So I don't know about these 17 missed tackles, if I saw them would I agree that they're on him or not.

I do know in his highlights he did an amazing job at avoiding some blockers just to put pressure on a ball carrier. And of course in the highlights he makes the tackle. But if he did an amazing job against blockers and to have a low percentage shot at the ball carrier, I'm not sure I'd count them.

Just saying that the stat, without context, makes me a bit nervous.
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6 months ago

The deficiencies you see. Can they be coached to improvement? Some things you cannot coach some things you can. Ya know?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Yes, and most of these kids have been coached since the 8th grade, if not earlier.

I have no idea what his youth, high school, or college coaches were like, but at some point you have to say, "the guy just can't tackle, which is rather important deficiency for a defensive or special teams player.

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Zero2Cool
6 months ago

Yes, and most of these kids have been coached since the 8th grade, if not earlier.

I have no idea what his youth, high school, or college coaches were like, but at some point you have to say, "the guy just can't tackle, which is rather important deficiency for a defensive or special teams player.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


I believe tackling is kind of like the run game. It's all about attitude. You either have that fight, or you don't.
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6 months ago
He will be a rookie backup. Only a few snaps a game.
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Senior Bowl’s Jim Nagy on Packers LB Ty’Ron Hopper: ‘He’ll Run And Hit’ 

Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst and Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy shared the same view of Missouri linebacker Ty’Ron Hopper, the second of the team’s third-round picks in the 2024 NFL Draft.

“He’ll run and hit,” Nagy told Packer Central this week. “The guy can run and he’ll put his face on you. That’s the bottom line. That’s what I like about him. I’ve been watching him since he was at Florida and he’s gotten better each year.

“So, they added speed at linebacker, physicality. If he starts off on special teams, he’s going to be really good there.”

Gutekunst double-dipped at linebacker after making Texas A&M’s Edgerrin Cooper the first linebacker off the board with a second-round pick.

Even with the release of De’Vondre Campbell, the Packers brought back a veteran core. Former draft picks Quay Walker (first round, 2022) and Isaiah McDuffie (sixth round, 2021) are back as projected starters in the 4-3 base defense, and Gutekunst re-signed Eric Wilson and Kristian Welch in free agency.

However, McDuffie, Wilson and Welch will be free agents next offseason, so picking Hopper was about 2025 as much as 2024.

“Not only will they help on defense, but I think special teams, as well,” Gutekunst said of Cooper and Hopper. “As we move into this new defense where maybe we have a few more linebacker body types, these are exactly the kind of guys that we’re looking for – the guys that can run and hit.”

The shared language between Gutekunst and Nagy is “special teams” and “run and hit.”

With three seasons at Florida and two at Missouri, Hopper played 468 snaps on special teams, according to Pro Football Focus. That included 132 snaps on kickoff coverage and 83 on punt coverage. Size and physicality are the essence of the kicking units.

At the Scouting Combine, Hopper measured 6-foot-1 3/4 and 231 pounds. He did run at the Combine but he did at pro day. The time listed at The Athletic is 4.68 seconds. Gutekunst said the team’s time was the “high” 4.5s.

“He ran fast, so that was pretty good for us, and he’s an explosive athlete,” Gutekunst said, no doubt alluding to excellent numbers in the vertical jump (36 inches) and broad jump (10 feet, 4 inches). “He runs fast on tape, he ran fast for us on the watch, so it all came together.”

Hopper started four games for the Gators in 2021 before starting 22 of his 23 appearances at Missouri. He had 5.5 sacks, 20.5 tackles for losses and eight passes defensed in those two seasons.

“He’s really physical,” Gutekunst said. “He can run, but his stopping power when he takes on blockers is pretty impressive. Very serious-minded guy, I think he really helped change that defense.

“The Missouri defense this year was excellent. They had a number of good players, but I think they’re very well-coached there. (It’s) another one of those programs where we felt really good about taking somebody out of that program because of how they do things there. But his stopping power as a tackler was really impressive.”

That coaching was done by Mizzou linebackers coach D.J. Smith, who was a sixth-round pick by the Packers in 2011.

“He hasn’t played the position long,” Smith told Packer Central. “He was a safety in high school. He started the last four games in 2021 at Florida, then played the two full years with us as a starter. His best football’s ahead of him. He just needs more reps. Just playing the position, with what he’s done so far, I think he’s on the right track.”

That’s what the Packers are betting on in grabbing Hopper, who missed the final three games of the season with a shoulder injury that prevented him from competing at the Senior Bowl. At worst, Hopper could be in a position to start in 2025.

“A fast linebacker that runs and hits,” Nagy said, “that’s what most teams are looking for.”



I fail to see why people would be upset if Hopper's main contribution for a year or two is on ST. Let's face it, the ones that are often taken in the 6th, 7th or UDFA aren't cutting it. They have been horrible on ST for a very very long time. They need to have a better quality player on that unit. If it takes selecting someone in the 3rd round so be it. They have needed ST players as much as they need DB or DL help.

Keep in mind very very few rookies are a significant factor no matter where they are drafted. I don't have the hard numbers but my guess is, guys they do contribute as a rookie are typically selected in the first round not the third round.


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beast
6 months ago
Yeah if we're actually playing a 4-3 then he very well could be getting playing time in 2025 if not sooner.

Base don the comments made, I'm assuming the defensive front is going to be all about penetration, and not about run clogging at all. Which means the LBers need speed and tackling and supposedly he's got that, and he might be smaller, but he looks like he has more power than the others.

And his former coach (whom played LB for the Packers) thought he might be the best blitzer off of the wide edge of all positions in the entire draft.

I think we deserve to give him a chance to saw what he's got before we trash him as a career backup.
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