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wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

11 months ago

Given some of the drama around Williams supposedly wanting an ownership share in whatever team drafts him, I would lean towards Harrison and trying to grab a QB with my 2nd pick at #9 or trying to trade up for someone like Daniels. Problem for the Bears is that they dont have many picks to play with this year. It might behoove the Bears to trade down from #1, get a haul and go QB+BPA with their two top 10 picks.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra

That won't happen.

Caleb Williams NFL ownership
Earlier this season, the NFL adopted a rule that prohibits giving equity in a franchise to current players or other employees within the organization. There were a number of reasons outlined by the league, including salary-cap complications and potential conflicts of interest.

The timing was not necessarily random. After the news of the rule broke in July, Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reported that Williams' representatives were letting prospective NFL teams know that the USC QB wanted partial ownership of whatever team selects him in the 2024 NFL Draft.

There has never been an active NFL player in the modern era that has also owned part of the team he plays for. Back in the 1920s, George Halas owned the Bears while he played, and then coached the team, but that was nearly 100 years ago.

Given the new rule implemented by the league, Williams' reported wish of being a player-owner won't come to fruition.

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 months ago

#12

That won't happen.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Counterpoint:

*contract negotiations*

William's Agent: My client would like an ownership share.

Team X: Can't, league rules.

William's Agent: How about a dubious, under the table handshake deal to allow a 1% share after he retires?

Team X: ...Okay *fingers crossed behind their back*

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

beast
Select Member

11 months ago

#13

Just because two kids went to the same school doesn't mean they will turn out the same.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Generally I completely agree, but also there are some exceptions... like the curse or whatever the heck is up with Clemson DL. Just seems like they ALWAYS underachieve in the NFL. But I think it's partly their coaching maybe?

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 months ago

#14

Originally Posted by: beast

Some older exceptions
-Penn State RBS
-Florida State Edge Rushers
-California QBs

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

Martha Careful
Member

11 months ago

#15

Counterpoint:
*contract negotiations*
William's Agent: My client would like an ownership share.
Team X: Can't, league rules.
William's Agent: How about a dubious, under the table handshake deal to allow a 1% share after he retires?
Team X: ...Okay *fingers crossed behind their back*

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra

Or more blatantly
William's Agent: OK, how about in a trust with X as the trustee FBO Williams, his family, and others.
I doubt if the league has thought that far ahead to preclude such an arrangement.

Moreover, if the dude is this high maintenance, fogetaboutit.

Go Packers!!!!

beast
Select Member

11 months ago

#16

Some older exceptions
-Penn State RBS
-Florida State Edge Rushers
-California QBs

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra

Great examples, and as we've seen with Cal QBs, there can be an exception, TO the exceptions.

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 months ago

#17

Great examples, and as we've seen with Cal QBs, there can be an exception, TO the exceptions.

Originally Posted by: beast

I remember how damning it was when Kyle Boller lit up the 2005 defense on a Sunday/Monday night game vs the Ravens. Dude had done nothing his career and then the defense made him look like an All-Pro.

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

dhazer
Veteran Member

11 months ago

#18

Good points....If I were them, I would:
- trade down to 4 and pick up another 1st round pick
- take Harrison or Odunze
- take some O linemen with their two remaining first round picks

Re Williams. I don't think he is all that:
- He is only 6'1"
- IMO a system quarterback. His backup threw 5 touchdowns in the bowl game
- Prima Donna
- played (exclusively) in the PAC 12, i.e. poor defense.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful

I have seen Bears fans saying this also but I have to ask what incentive the Cardinals have that they would give up that much to move to number 1 when they are sitting in a prime spot to land Harrison Jr anyway. The top 3 picks will most likely be QBs unless the Bears trade back to 3 and I would guess they would then grab Harrison Jr. So you grab the LSU kid then and you didn't lose any draft picks. That's just my thinking on the Cardinal's position.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 months ago

#19

Packers. Playoffs.

And you fookers talking draft crap? I can't take you kids anywhere!!!

Bahaha. Carry on. I had to get my sly remark in for a certain someone here. 😉

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 months ago

#20

Packers. Playoffs.

And you fookers talking draft crap? I can't take you kids anywhere!!!

Bahaha. Carry on. I had to get my sly remark in for a certain someone here. 😉

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I almost said something similar earlier this week but didnt want to be a killjoy!🥳

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

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