a year ago
Do you think we should consider moving QuayWalker to outside linebacker.

I really don’t think he cuts it on the inside and he’s a great physical talent. I don’t think it’s likely that Preston Smith is around next year and I think it might be a reasonable fit… Thoughts?
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a year ago

Do you think we should consider moving QuayWalker to outside linebacker.

I really don’t think he cuts it on the inside and he’s a great physical talent. I don’t think it’s likely that Preston Smith is around next year and I think it might be a reasonable fit… Thoughts?

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Only if we're talking about going to a 4-3 defense.

In a 3-4 Defense the OLBers are edge rushers like 4-3 DE, and that's not what Walker is. He's a coverage LB. So in the 3-4, he's an ILB or Dime LB.

In a 4-3 Walker could be used at any of the LB spots, but not in the 3-4.

This is why I hate the NFL s misleading naming convention, 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE should just be called edge rushers or DEs, because that's what they are.
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a year ago

Only if we're talking about going to a 4-3 defense.

In a 3-4 Defense the OLBers are edge rushers like 4-3 DE, and that's not what Walker is. He's a coverage LB. So in the 3-4, he's an ILB or Dime LB..

Originally Posted by: beast 

Meh, on several accounts.

Regarding what an outside guy does in a 3-4, it depends on the 3-4 scheme and who is calling the plays. Typically a weak side 3-4 OLB is more of a cover guy.

Further if Walker is deemed to be a 'coverage guy', he stinks at it. In zone he is slow to read who will be in his zone (and where) and in man he is a step or two late.

Ergo, trying him in a different spot which can feature more athleticism and less thinking might be the ticket. Maybe he can rush the passer.

He is not cutting it at ILB.
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

Only if we're talking about going to a 4-3 defense.

In a 3-4 Defense the OLBers are edge rushers like 4-3 DE, and that's not what Walker is. He's a coverage LB. So in the 3-4, he's an ILB or Dime LB.

In a 4-3 Walker could be used at any of the LB spots, but not in the 3-4.

This is why I hate the NFL s misleading naming convention, 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE should just be called edge rushers or DEs, because that's what they are.

Originally Posted by: beast 


No one goes base much anymore so 4-3 or 3-4 talk is virtually point less these days.

Teams spend something like 90% of snaps in sub packages. I can't cite the source cuz I forgot. But after reading that and then seeing it game after game. I stopped giving a poop about 3-4 or 4-3 haha
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a year ago

Meh, on several accounts.

Regarding what an outside guy does in a 3-4, it depends on the 3-4 scheme and who is calling the plays. Typically a weak side 3-4 OLB is more of a cover guy.

Further if Walker is deemed to be a 'coverage guy', he stinks at it. In zone he is slow to read who will be in his zone (and where) and in man he is a step or two late.

Ergo, trying him in a different spot which can feature more athleticism and less thinking might be the ticket. Maybe he can rush the passer.

He is not cutting it at ILB.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


He needs a new dc.
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a year ago

No one goes base much anymore so 4-3 or 3-4 talk is virtually point less these days.

Teams spend something like 90% of snaps in sub packages. I can't cite the source cuz I forgot. But after reading that and then seeing it game after game. I stopped giving a poop about 3-4 or 4-3 haha

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I totally and completely agree! All 32 teams are actually different versions of the 4-2 nickel defense but the NFL is stuck on certain labels and refuse to get off those labels even it means more correct information.

As one thing stated during the off-season of why the NFL doesn't change certain things, it's because they like controversy and good arguing and so they like some confusion are that leads to more debate.

Regarding what an outside guy does in a 3-4, it depends on the 3-4 scheme and who is calling the plays. Typically a weak side 3-4 OLB is more of a cover guy.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 

That was true in some forms of the 3-4, but those forms of the 3-4 have basically completely disappeared since 2010 and rule changes and so has all three DL up front being two gap run pluggers.

In today's NFL all starting 3-4 OLBers are actually 4-3 or 4-2 DEs.

The Packers OLBers have dropped back into coverage a combined 70 times this year.

Walker, Campbell and McDuffie have all dropped into cover over 265 times by themselves.

Further if Walker is deemed to be a 'coverage guy', he stinks at it. In zone he is slow to read who will be in his zone (and where) and in man he is a step or two late.

Ergo, trying him in a different spot which can feature more athleticism and less thinking might be the ticket. Maybe he can rush the passer.

He is not cutting it at ILB.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Maybe he can rush the passer, but can his 240lbs hold the edge one on one vs an 300+lb OT?




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a year ago

Maybe he can rush the passer, but can his 240lbs hold the edge one on one vs an 300+lb OT?

Originally Posted by: beast 

Micah Parsons does OK at about 250. All he has to do is put on 10 pounds.

And to speak to Nerdmann’s point about his simply needing a new DC, any new DC he’s going to have is going to run combination coverages and cover 2 hybrid coverages where he’s going to have to drop into a middle zone, assuming he remains an ILB. He has to figure out how to do that, and will they wonderlic of nine, I’m not sure he is capable of doing that if he hasn’t done it already.

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Zero2Cool
a year ago

I totally and completely agree! All 32 teams are actually different versions of the 4-2 nickel defense but the NFL is stuck on certain labels and refuse to get off those labels even it means more correct information.

Originally Posted by: beast 


If feels the NFL is morphing more into scheme-less and position-less year after year. TE's being called big WR's. RB's being called WR's. Slow WR's that are good at blocking being called TE's. OLB's being called EDGE. Safeties being called LB's.

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a year ago
Not to mention the game of musical chairs that's being played with the offensive line!
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a year ago

Micah Parsons does OK at about 250. All he has to do is put on 10 pounds.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Yeah and Parson is talented enough that he can play multiple positions at the highest level... and now you're trying to compare him to a player that you claim can't even play his best position well.

It's like saying Bakhtiari and Tom can't be OT in the NFL because they're not 6'5"... it's not the size, it's the talent that matters.

As a true LB is Walkers best spot, 3-4 OLBers are edge rushers not true LB.
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