wpr
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2 years ago
I have no desire whatsoever to improve the Jets and weaken the Packers 2024 draft pick. If they want Bak they must pay dearly for him. After the season is over and Bak's big money is ready to hit, fine they can have him. Not in 2023.
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beast
2 years ago

I have no desire whatsoever to improve the Jets and weaken the Packers 2024 draft pick. If they want Bak they must pay dearly for him. After the season is over and Bak's big money is ready to hit, fine they can have him. Not in 2023.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



1) If Rodgers doesn't have decent OT, he might not get to 65% and it might be a mid 2nd round pick, instead of a 1st round pick.

2) In theory, the Jets would have to be paying a heavy price for this, so let's say another 1st round pick.


So if the options are possible a 2nd rounder and keep Bakhtiari and his large contract. Or two 1st rounders but lose Bakhtiari and his contract.

Then it becomes an option.

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earthquake
2 years ago

EQ wrote Hardly an NFL average line.   Perhaps an average SEC line.

I can’t think of a worse group.  Two unproven guys at tackle and Nijman has had numerous turnstile moments. Jenkins is terrific. Myers and Runyon are average with Myers seemingly struggling.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



Like I said, it's not a lineup I'm excited about. But I don't think there is a weak-link, Don Barclay type of guy there. Myers is probably the worst of the group - so if they can upgrade there I think it would be a serviceable group. That said, a below-average center is probably the easiest problem to mask on the OL. I'm with you on the concerns with Nijman at LT - they would have to give him a bit of help occasionally, but most NFL teams do when facing elite edge rushers.

I think Jenkins is a good option at LT too. But putting him there could mean shuffling around multiple guys. Something like:

Jenkins, Tom, Meyers, Runyan, Nijman - the way I look at this is it means putting three guys somewhere other than their natural/best position. I think Tom can be a good to great RT, Jenkins is an elite LG, and Nijman's best position is LT. But maybe shuffling them around is worth it to get the best guy at LT. I'm glad I don't have to make that call.

Anyway, if Bahktari is traded or misses time, who are your top 5 guys, and where do you play them?
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wpr
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1) If Rodgers doesn't have decent OT, he might not get to 65% and it might be a mid 2nd round pick, instead of a 1st round pick.

2) In theory, the Jets would have to be paying a heavy price for this, so let's say another 1st round pick.


So if the options are possible a 2nd rounder and keep Bakhtiari and his large contract. Or two 1st rounders but lose Bakhtiari and his contract.

Then it becomes an option.

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Originally Posted by: beast 


Yep. He could also get hit by a bus. Anything could happen.
The odds of him getting injured and not able to play 65% is much less than the odds of Bak helping the Jets win 10 + games.
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earthquake
2 years ago

Yep. He could also get hit by a bus. Anything could happen.
The odds of him getting injured and not able to play 65% is much less than the odds of Bak helping the Jets win 10 + games.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Personally, I don't think Bahktari would be the difference between the Jets winning 7 vs 11 games. I think he's more likely to be the difference between the Jets losing in the wildcard round or them making a deeper run. But I don't have a good understanding of just how bad the Jets OL is.
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beast
2 years ago

But I don't have a good understanding of just how bad the Jets OL is.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 

Both their starting OTs are injured (and the starting RT has been injured with a knee injury almost his entire NFL career)

And they have a post injury Billy Turner rotating at starting LT while they wait for soon to be 38 year old Duane Brown to recover, which he's been in the IR and missed games each of the last two years.


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2 years ago


jason Sigler wrote:

New York Jets Head Coach Appears To Allude To Massive Trade Coming For Offensive Line

New York Jets head coach Robert Saleh made a comment that appeared to hint the team is ready to explore options to make a major trade for the offensive line.

This week, Mike Greenberg with ESPN documented the Jets’ offensive line struggles and thought the team should try and trade for Green Bay Packers left tackle David Bakhtiari. While most of the team is stacked, the Jets’ offensive line is a question mark. And that’s a troubling scenario for a team that extended extensive capital to bring 39-year-old quarterback Aaron Rodgers to New York.

Rich Cimini with ESPN wrote about the offensive line in a report Sunday. Cimini thinks the offensive line (including the tackle spot) is the Jets biggest weakness heading into the season. Saleh has expressed the Jets have time to experiment with the lineup and make their current roster for offensive line work.

But Saleh, like any NFL coach, wants to see the results sooner rather than later.

Cimini dropped a quote from Saleh that alludes to him and the front office considering using alternative methods, like, say, a trade, to improve the offensive line:

“My optimistic side will say we have time,” Saleh said. “Duane is coming back, there’s still a lot of pieces and we’ve got some cards in our back pocket that we can use. But as a coach, you want it done yesterday.”

Rodgers helped to stack Saleh’s deck when he took a pay cut to ensure the Jets could add pieces to the roster to make them more competitive this year.

Greenberg’s comments on Bahktiati to the Jets ignited a firestorm of public opinion on the possibility. Some Packers fans, irritated with Bakhtiari’s continuous rehab process and high salary, would like to see the team move on from Bakhtiari.

However, most of the Packers fanbase would prefer to keep Bahktiari after they kept him post the June-1st designation. As Matt Schneidman with The Athletic pointed out, sending Bakhtiari to the Jets would help New York’s overall record, giving the Packers a lower pick in the first or second round. And the Packers would miss on protecting Jordan Love with the best-left tackle in the league.

The Packers have a vested interest in keeping two quarterbacks healthy this season. Love, of course. But the Packers need Rodgers to play 65 percent of the Jets’ offensive snaps if they want New York’s first-round pick in 2024.

Bakhtiari is clearly the best option at left tackle if the Packers want insurance for that first-round pick.

We are going young everyplace else, so this would not be unexpected, especially if the price is high enough. 

I wonder how Bakhtiari would hold up with so many games on turf. 
 
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dfosterf
2 years ago
Tell the Jets we will listen to a trade for one of our tackles, go public with the offer, but we want to bring home Joe Tippman to Wisconsin as part of the negotiations.

We may have them in a uniquely advantageous position, in that at least according to their media, they may have to come hat in hand.

FYI- To anyone that doesn't know who he is- Jets took him in the 2nd round this year as the 1st center drafted. By all accounts, he started off slow, but has been coming on strong of late. He is NOT the starting center in NY...

Now at minimum, we'd get the NY media to go insane on that debate 😆 
beast
2 years ago

Tell the Jets we will listen to a trade for one of our tackles, go public with the offer, but we want to bring home Joe Tippman to Wisconsin as part of the negotiations.

We may have them in a uniquely advantageous position, in that at least according to their media, they may have to come hat in hand.

FYI- To anyone that doesn't know who he is- Jets took him in the 2nd round this year as the 1st center drafted. By all accounts, he started off slow, but has been coming on strong of late. He is NOT the starting center in NY...

Now at minimum, we'd get the NY media to go insane on that debate 😆 

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



Great suggestion.

Packers get
~ 2024 1st (even if Rodgers plays 0 snaps)
~ 2025 1st
~ C/OG Joe Trippmann 
~ ST Ace Justin Hardee (CB/WR, but just ST Ace, 2022 Pro Bowler)
~ TE Kenny Yeboah (Their #4 TE and ST TE)

Jets get
~ LT Bakhtiari
~ OG/RT Newman
~ C/OG Hanson
~ 2025 5th round pick


Probably unrealistic, but whom knows.
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Mucky Tundra
2 years ago

Great suggestion.

Packers get
~ 2024 1st (even if Rodgers plays 0 snaps)
~ 2025 1st
~ C/OG Joe Trippmann 
~ ST Ace Justin Hardee (CB/WR, but just ST Ace, 2022 Pro Bowler)
~ TE Kenny Yeboah (Their #4 TE and ST TE)

Jets get
~ LT Bakhtiari
~ OG/RT Newman
~ C/OG Hanson
~ 2025 5th round pick


Probably unrealistic, but whom knows.

Originally Posted by: beast 



While that trade as a whole might be unrealistic, I have wondered if they did swing a trade if they'd throw in one of the backups along the line into the trade but figured the Jets would want another T like Walker or Jones. 
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