beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
2 years ago

Yes, it was an incredibly stupid call and worse execution....I think there were less than 30 seconds left in the half and they were in press.   That is as dumb as being 10 yards off on 3rd and 2.

 Aggressive does not equal stupid.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



I think the play call was designed to stop a short throw, as he was thinking the Buccaneers would be going for a quick play and closer FG attempt.

Of course, he was dead wrong ...
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
2 years ago

It was almost like the DC was like OK OK you want us to play press, FINE, you fans get what you want!

roasted toasted an unboasted

And now the DC could say hey we tried playing press, look what happened? lol

Yes, I know, situations are situational, but you know there are some box store geniuses out there that would cite it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Not to jinx, but I'd still take Barry over Capers or Pettine.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
2 years ago

Not to jinx, but I'd still take Barry over Capers or Pettine.

Capers yes.  But over Pettine, I am not so sure....the jury is out.
Go Packers!!!!
nerdmann
2 years ago
I think with Joe there is a fear of trying things. He's afraid if he tries something, it might not work. 

Imo, trying things is how you find out what works. Just start doing it and let it flow from there.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
2 years ago

I think with Joe there is a fear of trying things. He's afraid if he tries something, it might not work. 

Imo, trying things is how you find out what works. Just start doing it and let it flow from there.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I think I'm on a similar thought. Not that he's unafraid to try something, but that they game planned all week to stop something, and he's afraid of he gets off that game plan, they'll then nail whatever it was they game planned to stop.

Say they game planned to stop the deep ball, it works. Then the other teams goes run heavy and has a lot of success, Barry doesn't want to adjust to stop the run, as that might not open up the deep pass which was their game plan to stop. And if the defense can't stop it, the offense is basically on their 3rd adjustment when Barry finally adjusts to stop the run, but the defense always seemed behind and reactive in play calls, not proactive. And part of that is the scheme, but also part of that is a play caller not pulling the trigger fast enough on adjustments.


I know Barry got a lot of hate after the first Vikings game and refusing to go man coverage. But I do think they had a great point, saying they're comfortable with Alexander in man coverage, but they weren't sure the rest of the team was ready for Alexander in man coverage, and them in zone coverage, as it potential could create a lot of confusion for the other guys if they didn't game plan and prepare for that possiblity.

And with the way some of the DBs were playing, not sure you want all of them in man coverage last year. As Stokes and the Safeties were getting smoked at times.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

I think I'm on a similar thought. Not that he's unafraid to try something, but that they game planned all week to stop something, and he's afraid of he gets off that game plan, they'll then nail whatever it was they game planned to stop.

Originally Posted by: beast 



I forget who said it, but a defensive player said something about "just because we practice it all week doesn't mean we need to keep doing it during the game if it isn't working" or something to that effect. 
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

I just thought it was an interesting question, what does Joe Barry need to do, to win you back?

Originally Posted by: beast 



I am not sure he had me to begin with. And I am not sure what he's actually responsible for. I know he's the defensive coordinator, but does Matt LaFleur overrule him on anything? Like aggressiveness, bend don't break, playing man, playing zone, playing press, playing soft? Does Joe Barry give the assistant coaches the reigns on those things or even which player plays over another player? 

My understanding has been a naïve one. I believed the coordinator (offense or defense or special teams) was responsible for the scheme and play calling. They would teach their assistants their scheme and what they wanted out of each position to maximize the scheme AND the players talents. And then the assistants would ... assist ... in doing just that.  As I've grown older and learned more. I am understanding that some position coaches can pull guys or plug guys in and make tweaks here and there such as playing press or playing soft, etc. 

So, I cannot answer the question, even though it is a good one. I will say for the Packers defense to win my confidence, I want to see less (preferably zero) finger pointing because that whole 'communication breakdown' remark has just pissed me off. And it screams "I'm not doing JUST my job, I'm trying to do someone else's job too" and that's not how good teams are built. You gotta do your 1/11th and trust the other 10 to do the same.  I would also like to see more form tackling than the shoulder bump/push stuff. Wrap your arms around the ballcarrier and bring him down. Stuart Scott is gone, there's zero reason to try to get on SportsCenter anymore.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (5h) : Parsons has followed Rasheed Walker on Twitter. Quite the choice
Mucky Tundra (5h) : Kuhn is a former player who works for the team, if somethings going down, he would be close to it
Mucky Tundra (5h) : @kuhnj30 Micah Freaking Parsons
Mucky Tundra (5h) : A LOT of buzz on the Bird App regarding Parsons; even Schefter is saying it's serious
dfosterf (10h) : *Orzech*
dfosterf (10h) : Orzich long snapper 3 yr extension
Zero2Cool (12h) : Packers signed someone for three year deal
Zero2Cool (12h) : lol i know it's insane ... sign up for the waiver wire then you'll know
wpr (12h) : YES!!!!!!
Mucky Tundra (12h) : WE WANT THE LIST! WE WANT THE LIST!
Zero2Cool (12h) : @JJLahey · 2m Holy crap, Packers, where the heck is the list?
Zero2Cool (12h) : haha folks on Tweeter every year this time ... 'where is list Packers!!" hahaha
wpr (13h) : He played pretty good.
Zero2Cool (13h) : NAZIR STACKHOUSE HAS MADE THE 53
Zero2Cool (14h) : NOOOOO KALEN IS GONE
Zero2Cool (14h) : Kalen King and Kamal Hadden making it. me thinks
schroeder84 (15h) : @dfosterf I suspect Elgersma WILL be hard to hide. Raw, but talented
Zero2Cool (17h) : pp.com is broken, halt testing, gotta go do work things for a bit
hardrocker950 (17h) : Mecole Hardman was released, to the surprise of few
Zero2Cool (17h) : PP.com updated. Reset Password works, and now User Profile pages are a thing
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : Soft hope plan is having fantasy football weekly on-site that i build. cannot do that with this setup.
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : It's older technology, resource hog, cannot be upgraded/changed. That's to start.
packerfanoutwest (25-Aug) : Ok, but what is wrong with this site?
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : check out packerpeople.com
Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Oh crap I missed that! I thought it was a 2026 pick
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : It wasn't even next year pick, it's two years away. old dog food value
Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Yep! Everytime a team trades with Howie that team is the loser (so says the media)
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : We are hosed.
Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Per Schefter, GB is sending a 6th rounder for OT Darian Kennard
Zero2Cool (24-Aug) : Finally got new site to keep folks logged in. New tech is pain sometimes
dfosterf (23-Aug) : Taylor Elgersma is going to be very hard to hide.
Mucky Tundra (23-Aug) : Matthew Golden=DAWG (so load the wagons!!) !!!!!
dfosterf (18-Aug) : We do have good depth at running back imo. Still so frustrating. Bitching about it is a futile excercise, which I plan to do anyway.
Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Whoops, I thought Zero was saying it was a surprise the Brewers lost and not Lloyd being hurt
Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Not a surprise; inevitable
Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : Brewers streak ends at 14
Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : SURPRISE
Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on MarShawn Lloyd: “He’s gonna miss some time.”
Mucky Tundra (16-Aug) : CLIFFORD WITH THE TD WITH UNDER 2 TO GO!!!!!
Zero2Cool (16-Aug) : 90 MINUTES UNTIL FAKE KICKOFF!!
Martha Careful (16-Aug) : I think Ruven is a bot, but regardless should be stricken from the site.
Zero2Cool (14-Aug) : Packers RB Josh Jacobs ranked No. 33 in NFL 'Top 100'
dfosterf (13-Aug) : The LVN Musgrave collision- Andy Herman said Musgrave seemed to be the one most impacted injury-wise
dfosterf (13-Aug) : a lower back injury
dfosterf (13-Aug) : Doubs says he's "fine" after injury scare. Some reported it as z
Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : With LVN that is; need to see what happens in the next practice
Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : beast, reading about what happened, it sounded like one of those "two guys collide and are moving slow afterwards" type of deals
beast (12-Aug) : I believe Musgrave has been injured every single season since at least a Sophomore in highschool
packerfanoutwest (12-Aug) : Matt LaFleur: “Highly unlikely” Jordan Love plays more this preseason
dfosterf (12-Aug) : Doubs, Savion Williams, LVN, Musgrave all banged up to one degree or another, missing one here I forget
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

14h / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

26-Aug / Fantasy Sports Talk / porky88

25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

24-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

24-Aug / Around The NFL / beast

23-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

22-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

21-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

19-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Aug / Around The NFL / isaiah

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.