The more definitions of "rebuild" the more I'm convinced the Packers are not rebuilding. They do not have a new front office, they do not have a new coaching staff, they are starting their hand picked QB who sat on the bench for three years, they didn't cut/trade a bunch of veterans and it just doesn't feel like a rebuild --- BASED ON THE DEFINITIONS PROVIDED.
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool
1) That's based on YOUR definition provided, the entire point is that different people can have different definitions or uses of the same exact word.
2) You claim the Seahawks and Rams elected to "rebuild"... and yet they have the same Front Office, the Same coaches (other than Rams changed up some coaches but they have been doing that just about every single year). So you claim the Packers can't be rebuilding because they don't meet your definition, then how can you claim the Rams and Seahawks are, when they also aren't meeting your definition? Why are other teams getting an exemption from the definition? You say Packers are starting the QB that sat on their bench for 3 years... and so are the Seahawks....
3) Packers didn't cut or trade a whole bunch of FAs, because they didn't have to, they were mostly FAs... and you can't cut nor trade a FA. Interesting how they didn't have to cut them, but they were all naturally FAs at the same exact time, almost like it was planned ahead of time. And yet, you're using that as proof that it wasn't planned. Maybe it was planned so well, you just didn't notice.
I kind of disagree here. I think teams like Seahawks and Rams elected to "rebuild", but maybe to your point though, the teams were kind of left with no choice? Both shipped off or cut multiple veterans to free up salary cap space or pick up draft picks. The Packers had no choice to but to go younger at WR, even though they did sign a free agent back in 2022 who flopped out.
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool
Exactly, they didn't want to rebuild, but the results of their aggressive actions in previous years (aggressive to salary cap) gave them no other good choices, just like the Packers. And I believe Gute has stated a couple years ago, going cap heavy now means they have to make it up in the future, which is rebuilding of the cap space. So I think all these teams elected to go for Super Bowls, and after a number of years, knew they had to stop and rebuild the cap space.
But what do we call what they're doing if it's not a rebuild? How is what the Packers are doing different than anything they've done in the past (minus the QB spot)? So is every team rebuilding?
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool
No, lots of teams are trying to improve their team and get into the playoffs now, whole Packers are trying to build a new offensive foundation, with other than OL, new everything on offense, and build the chemistry of the offense unit.
And I don't know this, but I believe we'll see a shift in offensive scheme, as the Packers scheme has been described as a hybrid of what LaFleaur likes and what Rodgers liked and kept from the McCarthy era... and now it'll probably be all LaFleaur wide zone scheme. And I believe they talked about the coaches missing the combine to work on scheme. Also with the Packers bringing in some pass rushing 3-4 DEs, I wonder if the defensive scheme might be changing a bit too.
If they traded guys like David Bakhtiari, Preston Smith and Rashan Gary for some draft picks, I could buy the "rebuild" narrative even though they didn't replace front office/ coaching staff. It's weird, TO ME (this is MY opinion, no one get butt cheese on me here) it feels the Seahawks rebuild in 2022, but the Packers in 2023 just kind of feels same ole same ole with the exception of the QB. 🤷♂️
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool
They traded Rodgers and Adams, while Rams openly said Stafford, Cooper and Donald were not going to be traded no matter the offer.
And like I said with the 4 stages, I think we are all agreeing the Packers are in stage 3, we just disagree on what to call the stage 3.
I thought your phrase of "remodeling" fit well, but I don't hear that phrase in the normal football talk.