nerdmann
a year ago
People keep shit talking Barry, but remember how reliable his defense was in year 1. People forget that. 

Last year, I felt like they gave up on the season, started playing not to get hurt. Suddenly they start winning again, get a shot at the playoffs, all of a sudden they start coming together as a unit. 

Not saying saying I want Barry in a chess match, but let's give credit where it's due.
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a year ago

And I see on Tweeter folks saying to put Rasul Douglas at Safety. I see that as a mistake. I think he plays best when he has one side blocked by the sidelines. I'm just not sure he should play inside.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Absolutely that's a mistake as well, and I was very happy to see Gute say they think Douglas can play anywhere, but his best spot is CB and they're keeping him there this season.

Fan wrongly assume if you're a large CB you can automatically play Safety.

Douglas is at his best when playing games with the QB in zone coverage as an outside CB, pretending he's not covering a guy shallow, and then jumping the route.

Safeties don't have as much freedom to mental play games (or they're leaving a gap open if they do). And they need more speed as deep Safeties sticking in zone coverage.

ZONE coverage outside CB is Douglas clear best role.

There have been some great safeties that have started off as cornerback. The most recent example I can think of is Charles Woodson.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



Absolutely, there have been some. But I can't think of a single one of them that have Douglas physical skill limitations.

And all of those CBs that turned into great Safeties could play zone or man coverage very well, Douglas is limited to zone coverage.

CBs can become great Safeties, but I don't think Douglass is one of them.
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a year ago
Barry was extremely too slow is making adjustments last year and I read that early and often. I understand that he has the fear of over adjusting and opening up what they schemed to stop all week, but there is a chess game with calling plays and I feel like Barry either doesn't mentally get the chess game, or he's calling plays scared.

Yes, if the defense adjusts to the offense, the offense will then adjust and maybe go back more towards what you originally game planned to stop... but you as a play caller, need to take some risks, and stop what the offense is currently doing, and maybe take some educated guesses of when they might be adjusting to something else.


That being said, I felt like there was some type of feud going on between Barry and the defensive players... as reporters suggested they were openly talking to media suggesting they need a change. And this only increased with the Packers DB coach leaving and sounded like DB coach and Barry had disagreements and it sounded like the DBs were being the most vocal on the Barry issue (though DBs are usually the most vocal in general).


Also, I'm not totally sure what changed, other than some reports the defensive players finally got Barry to listen and simplify things, to just let the players think less, and go full speed more, but the defensive front seem to pick up after losing Gary and Lowry. Also seemed like Reed was at DT more and Clark at NT more. Also some weaker OL opponents helped, but it was clearly more than just that.



I'm wondering how much infighting or disagreements lead to the Packers defensive struggles last year.
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
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