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 Or maybe it wasn't, and that's why he wasn't traded. Who knows.

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I find it extremely hard to believe that in either of the past two offseasons, Green Bay would have refused to pull the trigger if some team had offered them a pair of first-rounders — or even a first-, second-, and third-rounder — in exchange for Aaron Rodgers, regardless of whether they thought Jordan Love was ready to hit the ground running. I think a lot of fans have been overestimating Rodgers' value on the trade market, his recent MVP wins notwithstanding. 
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I find it extremely hard to believe that in either of the past two offseasons, Green Bay would have refused to pull the trigger if some team had offered them a pair of first-rounders — or even a first-, second-, and third-rounder — in exchange for Aaron Rodgers, regardless of whether they thought Jordan Love was ready to hit the ground running. I think a lot of fans have been overestimating Rodgers' value on the trade market, his recent MVP wins notwithstanding. 

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I Tweeted something similar to this. Packers got 3rd rounder for 38 year old Brett Favre coming off a 13 win season and somehow some of us are thinking 39 year old Rodgers coming off 8 wins is gonna get us multiple day one picks and possibly a day two pick. 

I gotta wonder how much Russell Wilson trade is on folks minds in NFL circles.
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I Tweeted something similar to this. Packers got 3rd rounder for 38 year old Brett Favre coming off a 13 win season and somehow some of us are thinking 39 year old Rodgers coming off 8 wins is gonna get us multiple day one picks and possibly a day two pick. 

I gotta wonder how much Russell Wilson trade is on folks minds in NFL circles.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Bert Favor had officially declared retirement.  And oh yeah, Ted wasn't trading him within the Conference, so that's half the teams out of bidding right there.
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I find it extremely hard to believe that in either of the past two offseasons, Green Bay would have refused to pull the trigger if some team had offered them a pair of first-rounders — or even a first-, second-, and third-rounder — in exchange for Aaron Rodgers, regardless of whether they thought Jordan Love was ready to hit the ground running. I think a lot of fans have been overestimating Rodgers' value on the trade market, his recent MVP wins notwithstanding. 

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I Tweeted something similar to this. Packers got 3rd rounder for 38 year old Brett Favre coming off a 13 win season and somehow some of us are thinking 39 year old Rodgers coming off 8 wins is gonna get us multiple day one picks and possibly a day two pick. 

I gotta wonder how much Russell Wilson trade is on folks minds in NFL circles.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Some good points here, I don't know if there's an apples to apples comparison. Probably the closest comparable situation is Brady and Manning, but they signed as free agents, so it's hard to gauge what Rodger's value is now or what it might have been the past year or two. Going back a bit further, other than Favre, the last aging HOF QB I can remember being traded for a high pick would have to be Joe Montana. The 49ers got a 1st round pick for him and his wheels were already clearly falling off, though he was a bit younger, I think 35 at the time. 

I would say the game has changed since Montana and Favre played, gotten much safer for QBs in particular and we can see that with how well Tom Brady has held up (though he is obviously an outlier) and how well Rodgers has played the last few years, having one of his best years at age 38.

Now, would a team give up a 1st or more for Rodgers? I think if a team saw him as the missing peice to a superbowl run perhaps, but that's a pretty big if.  It would probably depend on how willing Rodgers would be to commit to 2-3 more years as well. I wouldn't hold my breath there.

The Wilson and Stafford trades are interesting, but you guys are right, there's a big difference between 33 and 39-40 year old QBs.

 
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Bert Favor had officially declared retirement.  And oh yeah, Ted wasn't trading him within the Conference, so that's half the teams out of bidding right there.

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This doesn't make much sense because, well, the facts disprove it. The only two teams that offered to trade for Brett Favre were the Jets and Buccaneers. In fact, Favre and his agent believed the deal was as good as done. Ted Thompson refused to get into any negotiations with Vikings, Bears or Lions. 

This was 15 years ago, so I forgive you for not being able to recall correctly. Receiving my forgiveness will make you sleep better at night. You're welcome. 😁😋😍

 
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This doesn't make much sense because, well, the facts disprove it. The only two teams that offered to trade for Brett Favre were the Jets and Buccaneers. In fact, Favre and his agent believed the deal was as good as done. Ted Thompson refused to get into any negotiations with Vikings, Bears or Lions. 

This was 15 years ago, so I forgive you for not being able to recall correctly. Receiving my forgiveness will make you sleep better at night. You're welcome. 😁😋😍

 

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Agreed.



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One hint could be his subtle use of the difference between: 
Maybe my last post game interview?  = " I would miss..."   
Knowing it's last post game interview  = " I'm going to miss..."

Coupled with the sudden exit as he starts to show emotion.



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I've found out here on this forum that I am not as knowledgeable at team construction as I would like to think I am.
I think I am entitled to one dumb question, so here goes:
A financial/tactical question I have is - Play Love & keep Rodgers as back-up QB?
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2 years ago

I've found out here on this forum that I am not as knowledgeable at team construction as I would like to think I am.
I think I am entitled to one dumb question, so here goes:
A financial/tactical question I have is - Play Love & keep Rodgers as back-up QB?

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No way this would happen. Rodgers isn’t going to come back the be a backup. And the Packers aren’t paying that salary for a backup either. Out of all scenarios, this is the least likely, as in 0%. 

I understand your thought process though. It just won’t happen.
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Wow man. Is Spoon confirming that the Packers gave up all there leverage to Aaron, such that now Aaron has all the leverage over them? Does anyone have access to this article? 

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Suppose he takes a pay cut?
Wants to "retire", but stay with the Packers?
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No way this would happen. Rodgers isn’t going to come back the be a backup. And the Packers aren’t paying that salary for a backup either. Out of all scenarios, this is the least likely, as in 0%. 

I understand your thought process though. It just won’t happen.

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Aaron is afraid of open competition at his position. We've all seen him in the playoffs and in must-win games, like the last one against Detroit.
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Wow man. Is Spoon confirming that the Packers gave up all there leverage to Aaron, such that now Aaron has all the leverage over them? Does anyone have access to this article? 

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


I believe we all knew the leverage was all Packers until they offered that contract. Now the leverage is in Aaron Rodgers hands. Rodgers said he won't hold the team hostage, so we just have to wait and see.  I suspect he'll announce he's playing in 2023 in the coming weeks and if not, then he'll state his plans days or a week prior to free agency. The Packers are fine. They can't do anything right now anyway. But sure has to suck formulating two different plans. One with Rodgers, one without Rodgers.
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I believe we all knew the leverage was all Packers until they offered that contract. Now the leverage is in Aaron Rodgers hands. Rodgers said he won't hold the team hostage, so we just have to wait and see.  I suspect he'll announce he's playing in 2023 in the coming weeks and if not, then he'll state his plans days or a week prior to free agency. The Packers are fine. They can't do anything right now anyway. But sure has to suck formulating two different plans. One with Rodgers, one without Rodgers.

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Im sure it really sucks for Jordan Love. Unless he has some inside information that we don’t know about.
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Im sure it really sucks for Jordan Love. Unless he has some inside information that we don’t know about.

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I have no information to go on here. However, I just don't think we will have both Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love on the 2023 Packers. 
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I believe we all knew the leverage was all Packers until they offered that contract. Now the leverage is in Aaron Rodgers hands. Rodgers said he won't hold the team hostage, so we just have to wait and see.  I suspect he'll announce he's playing in 2023 in the coming weeks and if not, then he'll state his plans days or a week prior to free agency. The Packers are fine. They can't do anything right now anyway. But sure has to suck formulating two different plans. One with Rodgers, one without Rodgers.

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Remember when we had a GM with balls who was able to stand up to players who demanded full control over the franchise? 

In fairness, Aaron did have three years to prepare whereas the new guy had two, with one being the covid year, thus barely any training camp. But still. 

Talk about selling the franchise's soul. There better be more to this story.
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Remember when we had a GM with balls who was able to stand up to players who demanded full control over the franchise? 

In fairness, Aaron did have three years to prepare whereas the new guy had two, with one being the covid year, thus barely any training camp. But still. 

Talk about selling the franchise's soul. There better be more to this story.

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That is one thing I admired about the Ron Wolf years. He had that confidence to say "I'll accept the job providing I have full control over football operations", and to his credit, Bob Harlan said the right answer. I say to his credit because previously the board of CEO dweebs kept their fingers in football business and instead of sticking to the business of football.

My hope is once Mark Murphy is replaced, the new CEO knows his role and stays the F out of football affairs. I know other organizations succeed with this everyone report to CEO/President but I just think it's cleaner for us to have everyone pointing to the GM.

I think Russ Ball and Matt LaFleur should be reporting to Brian Gutekunst rather than all three of them reporting to a CEO. 

I also think if Brian Gutekunst was in full control, the whole Rodgers thing would be easier to predict.  Right now we're not sure if Murphy pulling strings or what. 
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Mark Murphy has to go!
It's going to be hard for me to hang on for another two years with him at the helm.
Although I'm quickly losing faith in LeFleur as well.
At the age of75 I don't have many years left to enjoy my beloved Packers..
I would enjoy these last few years a lot more if Murphy and Rodgers were gone.
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



This is bogusly spoken out of context. Rodgers also stated that there's only one or two teams that are actually rebuilding and he cited the Texans as one. And post-game vs Lions he said the Packers are a couple players away. Why don't people take the time to actually listen to the whole thing instead of taking clickbait BS snippets for attention? GBP Daily is dead to me now. They do it way too much.
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