Rodgers made Davante who made Rodgers MVP

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Something I was bouncing around between my ears the other day. Davante Adams is an All-Pro talent at WR. Yeah, Packers won handful of games without Adams while he was out during his Packers tenure. However, what if Adams covered up a lot of the falling off of Rodgers?

Adams was drafted in 2014 and we can say Rodgers was in the middle of his prime there. We can also say that Rodgers helped make Adams into the All-Pro talent he is.

Sure, the Packers picking the eventual heir to the throne lit a fire under Aaron Rodgers ass. We all agree on that. But the Packers went from being damn near historically successful in the red zone to one of the worst in the NFL after his departure.

2020 149 targets and 2021 169 targets and that's 115 and 123 receptions respectively. That's basically your safety blanket. Something Rodgers doesn't have anymore and then threw 2nd most interceptions in his career.

My question is ... can we say Adams made Rodgers the MVP during 2020 and 2021?

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

go.pack.go.
Veteran Member

2 years ago

He certainly helped, yes. But I don’t think he “made” Rodgers the MVP. Rodgers was playing with rookies with 0 experience this year along with a few veterans who are #3-5 type receivers. He went from having an all pro to having basically nothing for most of the season. There’s your cause for drop off.

Another huge cause of the drop off was the OL. They were playing musical chairs for the first half of the season, and Bakh was in & out every other week. Last 2 years they had a solid OL. Not so much this year.

dhazer
Veteran Member

2 years ago

Well I say looks at the stats and who had the drop off? Rodgers dropped way off of his stats and Adams continued putting up the same stats. 1516 yards and 14 TDs (2nd most of his career) with a QB that got benched the final 2 games of the year. Watch highlights from the past 2 years and you can see how Rodgers would make bad throws and Adams would bail him out. But as I have said many times the past 2 years that Adams was ruining Rodgers because he was doing the same exact thing Favre did with Sharpe, when in doubt throw it to 17 even if he is tripled covered. I believe Favre got better when he lost Sharpe because he started to depend on the other guys and spread it around more and learned to read defenses. I think it was just the opposite for Rodgers as when he took over we were 4 and 5 deep at the Wr position and it went down to just the one.

So yes I believe Adams made Rodgers look good the past 2 seasons as I still don't think he deserved the MVP as we know thats just a popularity contest. An MVP doesn't drop off that bad by losing one receiver as they are suppose to make others look better. Age is a game you can't win and I think time has caught up to Rodgers.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Originally Posted by: dhazer

MVP is not the Pro Bowl. It's good to know and understand the difference. Pro Bowl is popularity, literally it's voted in part by the public. MVP is voted by 50 or something reporters. And with the stance that Rodgers had about a certain issue we all lived through, it's incredible he won. And if you're gonna say someone didn't deserve it, you damn well better provide a list of those who should. I don't mean YOU specifically, it's just super annoying when someone says cowardly crap like that "X doesn't deserve" and doesn't have the balls to put someone in their place. Even more annoying is when someone says X was snubbed but they don't have the balls to say who should be removed. You gotta subtract if you add, and you gotta add if you subtract. There must be balance otherwise the aliens will never stay long enough to give us the cool shit.

Okay, silliness aside. Your point about Rodgers stats and Adams stats in 2022 is what adds credence to this theory.

dhazer
Veteran Member

2 years ago

Ok in 2020 Tom Brady put up better numbers with a team that didn't make the playoffs the year before, and last year Josh Allen deserved it as he improved the Bills greatly. Also Joe Burrow could be in last years conversation as he brought the Bengals to the big game with a team that sucked the year before. So I will put some names out there for you. But like you state its MVP and yes popularity among writers still count. Steven A Smith thinks Rodgers is the best thing since slice bread. Just like people claiming Rodgers is better than Brady but there are no stats to prove any of it.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

bboystyle
Member

2 years ago

Ok in 2020 Tom Brady put up better numbers with a team that didn't make the playoffs the year before, and last year Josh Allen deserved it as he improved the Bills greatly. Also Joe Burrow could be in last years conversation as he brought the Bengals to the big game with a team that sucked the year before. So I will put some names out there for you. But like you state its MVP and yes popularity among writers still count. Steven A Smith thinks Rodgers is the best thing since slice bread. Just like people claiming Rodgers is better than Brady but there are no stats to prove any of it.

Originally Posted by: dhazer

There's plenty of stats to prove it but the only argument people make are RINGS which is a team accomplishment. I'd take prime Rodgers over Brady any day. Ill take Prime Marino as well. There are plenty of QBs who were better but just weren't as accomplished due to the teams they were on. Prime Rodgers was carrying a team with a crappy defense and coach. If he had a solid defense and coach, he wins multiple rings in his prime. The problem with Rodgers during his years wasn't that he was a choker or stat padder, he just put a lot of GB teams in the post season that didnt belong. From 2010 - 2016, I'll take Rodgers during those years over any era/team Brady was in

dyeah_gb
Member

2 years ago

Adams definitely helped Rodgers during his MVP years but Rodgers consistency with accurate throws seriously fell off a cliff this year as well, especially in the final game. The drops didnt help either.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Originally Posted by: dhazer

I like this! I think it might spawn a whole different discussion as to what is a MVP?

As for Stephen A Smith. I don't watch him. I did see a clip of him on Pat McAfee and a second one where he just railed Rodgers up and down.

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

2 years ago

I think one area not having Adams around that hurt was in short yard situations. 3rd & 2 with Adams one on one? CB would be toast and a first down pickup.

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

nerdmann
Premier Member

2 years ago

#10

All those veteran WRs made Davante what he was. The standard was high. It's like when Jerry Rice went to the Niners. He had guys like Ronnie Lott looking at him in practice every day. Had no choice but to be the best of all time.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (4h) : Eagles WR DeVonta Smith will be a DNP in today’s practice. He’s dealing with back tightness. But the expectation is that he’ll play Sunday.

Zero2Cool (5h) : Jalen Hurts has cleared the concussion protocol. He’s playing Sunday.

Zero2Cool (5h) : 𝕏avier McKinney First Team All-Pro

Zero2Cool (9h) : NFL moves Vikings-Rams playoff tilt to Arizona due to fires

Zero2Cool (9h) : Rams lose home field advantage for Monday game.

Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame=Notre Dame, Luckeyes=Ohio State, Pedo St=Penn St

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : ... It clearly was not what we were supposed to be in, certainly."

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : Hafley says 3rd and 11 call there was a miscommunication.

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : The only team I know is Texas from that. Who are the other three?

Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame vs Pedo St tonight and the Luckeyes vs Texas tomorrow

Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Stud

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : E. Cooper. Rookie of Month. Defense.

Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : @AaronNagler · 2m Both Jordan Love and Malik Willis were Limited participants at Packers practice today.

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson didn't make it until 2020. Ring 2023. 🤷 Personally, he should have been in years prior to Hall.

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : HUMP DAY

beast (8-Jan) : Guys that have a good shot at making the NFL Hall of Fame usually get into their teams pretty fast

beast (8-Jan) : Yeah, but is Kampman and the others in the NFL Hall of Fame?

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson was Hall of Fame, 2020. Should haev been in Ring a year later, not three years.

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : I could be wrong there though

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Guys like Kampman, Tim Harris, Al Harris, etc all over 15 years. Hall of Fame is 5 year wait

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : I guess I see players in Packers Hall come way later

beast (8-Jan) : Yeah, usually teams hall of fames are a much lower bar than the NFL

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : is it uncommon for Hall before Ring?

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : S Xavier McKinney named first-team All-Pro by NFLPA

beast (8-Jan) : I missed it, sorry, but he got into the NFL Hall of Fame years before that

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Jones took his sweet ole time!

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Yeah, he's in the ring of honor, just saw video and his name is up there

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Didn't they have a thing in 2023 for Jimmy's ring of honor? I swear I saw it

beast (8-Jan) : Though if they're legitimately trying to re-sign MM, then it makes sense.

beast (8-Jan) : Jerry Jones still hasn't put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor, but he's in the NFL's Hall of Fame, Jones is petty

Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : Unless the Cowboys are planning an extension, seems kinda petty

beast (8-Jan) : Cowboys denied Bears request

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : From what I'm reading, MM is under contract through the 14th of January; after that he's free game

Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : McCarthy let go or not extended??

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Chicago Bears have asked the Dallas Cowboys permission to interview Mike McCarthy for head coaching vacancy

Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : The winners page that is

Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I was not hoping for that. It messes up the page lol

beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.

beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3

Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats beast on 2024 !

Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats porky on winning 2023 pick'em! (oops sorry)

Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Packers have $60M+ of 2025 cap space on paper TODAY.

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Missed FG into a Lions TD; that'll do pig, that'll do

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : That might be it for the Vikings

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Oh so the refs do know what intentional grounding is

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : what the hell was that Goff?! Not much pressure and he just air mails it to Harrison

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : They really need to to get rid of the auto first down for illegal contact

Martha Careful (6-Jan) : watching the Vikings and Lions it's understandable why they swept the Packers. So much better product

Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Even when GB got pressure he was throwing darts; vs no pressure on that last pass he just air mails an open guy

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

38 - 10

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

30 - 17

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

31 - 34

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

30 - 13

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

34 - 0

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM

Vikings

25 - 27

Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

22 - 24