earthquake
2 years ago

Ok in 2020 Tom Brady put up better numbers...

Just like people claiming Rodgers is better than Brady but there are no stats to prove any of it.
 

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Oh those pesky facts...

2020:
A. Rodgers: 372/526, 70.7%, 4299 yards, 8.2 avg, 48 TDs, 5 INTs, 121.5 rating
T. Brady: 401/610, 65.7%, 4633 yards, 8.2 avg, 40 TDs, 12 INTs, 102.2 rating

Brady had more yards and completions on much more throws. The only thing this tells us is that Brady had more attempts. In every statistical category that matters Rodgers had a much better year. Brady had 8 less TDs, 7 more INTs, and completed 5% less passes all while throwing to a deeper group of WRs. Obviously Devante Adams is great, but Rodgers put up his 2020 numbers with Robert Tonyan and MVS being his #2 and #3 receivers. 

Not only was Rodgers the obvious choice for MVP in 2020, statistically speaking, he had one of the best years of any QB in the history of the game. There's a good argument that Rodger's 2011 was a little better better, and that Tom Brady's 2007 was close. Patrick Mahomes had a pretty good year in 2018 too.

Now if we're talking 2021? There is more of a debate to be had there.

PS: I don't think Rodgers is a better football player or has had a better career than Brady. But he is a better thrower of the football, and his 2020 regular season (which is what the MVP is based on) was undoubtedly better as well.
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earthquake
2 years ago

All those veteran WRs made Davante what he was. The standard was high. It's like when Jerry Rice went to the Niners. He had guys like Ronnie Lott looking at him in practice every day. Had no choice but to be the best of all time.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I get the point you're trying to make making here. Both Rodgers and the veterans Adams played behind contributed to his development. But Devante Adams is the main reason Devante Adams is good, just as Jerry Rice and Michael Jordan deserve credit for being the stars that they are. Ronnie Lot didn't "make" Jerry Rice any more than Scottie Pippin made Michael.
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go.pack.go.
2 years ago

Adams definitely helped Rodgers during his MVP years but Rodgers consistency with accurate throws seriously fell off a cliff this year as well, especially in the final game.  The drops didnt help either.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



Yes, he made quite a few inaccurate throws this year (behind a terrible OL for much of the season). However, I think he looked worse than he actual was, due to rookie receivers (and Watkins) running the wrong routes for most of the season, or just not being on the same page. I have never seen Rodgers be so out of sync with an entire group of receivers. That was a huge problem this year and a huge reason for his “drop off”. I think it was more of that than a physical/skillset drop off.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

Yes, he made quite a few inaccurate throws this year (behind a terrible OL for much of the season). However, I think he looked worse than he actual was, due to rookie receivers (and Watkins) running the wrong routes for most of the season, or just not being on the same page. I have never seen Rodgers be so out of sync with an entire group of receivers. That was a huge problem this year and a huge reason for his “drop off”. I think it was more of that than a physical/skillset drop off.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



If the WR ran the wrong route, and the QB still throws the ball. That's the WR's fault? Maybe the QB shouldn't have thrown it? I'm not trying to bash Aaron Rodgers here. I just don't see this excuse for other QB's and it's puzzling. The guy has an incredible arm and we're gonna say he was off because WR's ran wrong routes? Rodgers has been off for at least two or three seasons. The difference is he doesn't have Davante Adams scooping up those difficult-to-catch passes. 

Again, I'm not trying to push Rodgers down. I'm immensely grateful of the years we've had with him. But just like Brett Favre, these players age and their skills diminish. It happens. It's already happened to Rodgers and we are seemingly just unwilling (maybe scared of the future?) to acknowledge it.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

There's plenty of stats to prove it but the only argument people make are RINGS which is a team accomplishment. I'd take prime Rodgers over Brady any day. Ill take Prime Marino as well. There are plenty of QBs who were better but just weren't as accomplished due to the teams they were on. Prime Rodgers was carrying a team with a crappy defense and coach. If he had a solid defense and coach, he wins multiple rings in his prime. The problem with Rodgers during his years wasn't that he was a choker or stat padder, he just put a lot of GB teams in the post season that didnt belong. From 2010 - 2016, I'll take Rodgers during those years over any era/team Brady was in

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 



I think Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Tom Brady. However, I think Tom Brady is a better leader. I felt the same with Brett Favre that he wasn't as good of a QB as Rodgers, but a better leader. 
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bboystyle
2 years ago

Yes, he made quite a few inaccurate throws this year (behind a terrible OL for much of the season). However, I think he looked worse than he actual was, due to rookie receivers (and Watkins) running the wrong routes for most of the season, or just not being on the same page. I have never seen Rodgers be so out of sync with an entire group of receivers. That was a huge problem this year and a huge reason for his “drop off”. I think it was more of that than a physical/skillset drop off.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



I think the rookie excuse can be a limited one. There were times where Rodgers just flat out missed open guys or overthrew them. Thats the QB faults, not the O-lines or WR. He did this multiple times too. He was definitely off this year no doubt about it. 
nerdmann
2 years ago

I think Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Tom Brady. However, I think Tom Brady is a better leader. I felt the same with Brett Favre that he wasn't as good of a QB as Rodgers, but a better leader. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You spelled cheater wrong 🤙
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

You spelled cheater wrong 🤙

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Listen here nerdy, I've debunked this numerous times, don't make me slap facts up on yo forehead young'n!! 😁

Tom Brady didn't cheat. Neither did Patriots. They just were better knowing the rules and skirted close the line more than others dare to. 
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go.pack.go.
a year ago

If the WR ran the wrong route, and the QB still throws the ball. That's the WR's fault? Maybe the QB shouldn't have thrown it? I'm not trying to bash Aaron Rodgers here. I just don't see this excuse for other QB's and it's puzzling. The guy has an incredible arm and we're gonna say he was off because WR's ran wrong routes? Rodgers has been off for at least two or three seasons. The difference is he doesn't have Davante Adams scooping up those difficult-to-catch passes. 

Again, I'm not trying to push Rodgers down. I'm immensely grateful of the years we've had with him. But just like Brett Favre, these players age and their skills diminish. It happens. It's already happened to Rodgers and we are seemingly just unwilling (maybe scared of the future?) to acknowledge it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



That makes it sound so simple. A lot of routes are thrown with anticipation. For example if Watkins was supposed to break inside, but instead he broke outside at the top of his route, the ball was likely thrown before he got to his break. Another example would be when Watson never looked for the ball on the quick throw at the goal line after Rodgers gave him a pre-snap signal (end of Rams game I think). 
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go.pack.go.
a year ago

I think the rookie excuse can be a limited one. There were times where Rodgers just flat out missed open guys or overthrew them. Thats the QB faults, not the O-lines or WR. He did this multiple times too. He was definitely off this year no doubt about it. 

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 



Absolutely. Rodgers was certainly not playing MVP football this year. But that’s not entirely on him like so many people make it out to be. 
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