Zero2Cool
2 years ago
On the Facebook I read some family and friends bemoaning "that is why you play starters in preseason" and my goodness, what a lowly excuse. They ain't got nothing to say when they are told Vikings starters didn't play in preseason and they deployed a new head coach, new offensive coordinator and new defensive coordinator. They also went from a run first offense to one more similar to Rams and switched from 4-3 to 3-4 on defense. Yes, the latter is frivolous as most teams spend a fraction of time in their base.

I will say this about preseason games. They get you into that "win a game" mode if nothing more which breeds urgency. Urgency, something the Packers lacked.
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Cheesey
2 years ago
It was like they expected to lose, so why try?
That dropped 75 yard TD in their first drive set the tone for the whole game.
Playing in preseason wouldn't have fixed anything.
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nerdmann
2 years ago

It was like they expected to lose, so why try?
That dropped 75 yard TD in their first drive set the tone for the whole game.
Playing in preseason wouldn't have fixed anything.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



It's a subset of the real issue, which is that Aaron is running the team.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Zero2Cool
2 years ago
Vikings also had three seasons worth of tape to review. Packers have zero on Vikings. Let's see how Vikings do after teams start finding their trends.
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wpr
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2 years ago
I am sorry Kevin. I disagree. I don't care what other teams do or don't do.
Not playing starters because you are AFRAID the MIGHT get injured is a weak excuse. Life happens and players get injured. They can't run away. I remember players from the 80's and 90's say they looked forward to the first real hit they got (and gave). There is being in shape and there is being in football shape. It's not the same. There is no way to simulate football shape without competing against another team.

In the MLF era, the offense has started poorly 3 of 4 times. The only exception was the COVID season of 2020 with no fans in the stands. The defense has started poorly 3 times as well. The only decent opener was Matt's first season in 2019 when they held the bares to 3 points.

When we add the post bye games that more times than not are losses, this team is soft. They get manhandled repeatedly on the OL and DL. If the DB's are aggressive on the LOS, our WRs have no answers. Soft.


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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

I am sorry Kevin. I disagree. I don't care what other teams do or don't do.
Not playing starters because you are AFRAID the MIGHT get injured is a weak excuse. Life happens and players get injured. They can't run away. I remember players from the 80's and 90's say they looked forward to the first real hit they got (and gave). There is being in shape and there is being in football shape. It's not the same. There is no way to simulate football shape without competing against another team.

In the MLF era, the offense has started poorly 3 of 4 times. The only exception was the COVID season of 2020 with no fans in the stands. The defense has started poorly 3 times as well. The only decent opener was Matt's first season in 2019 when they held the bares to 3 points.

When we add the post bye games that more times than not are losses, this team is soft. They get manhandled repeatedly on the OL and DL. If the DB's are aggressive on the LOS, our WRs have no answers. Soft.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Teams don't game plan. Teams don't scheme. Teams run vanilla offense and vanilla defense. Aside from getting used to getting HIT and HITTING, I'm not sure what more can be had from playing in preseason games. Although, as I said, it does give them that competitive taste of the game environment. Veterans have time and time said they get more from training camp practices than preseason games. Younger players (1-3 years) certainly benefit from preseason games, in my opinion.

One thing I think preseason can help with his tackling because the NFLPA sissified the CBA where they can't tackle much in practice anymore.

What do you think preseason games are going to do? Vikings didn't play starters and they have new offense and defense. Maybe we struggled with them because we didn't know what to prepare for and they had over 50 games of tape to find our flaws? 🤷‍♂️
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yooperfan
2 years ago
I was thinking more along the lines of, that Rodgers should have been in Green Bay right after the draft when the new players arrived.
That would have been a time to get to know the new wide receivers and start getting on the same page.
I think that would be tremendously helpful in getting on the same page.
That's something a real leader would have done rather than run off to some remote place to smoke psychedelic mushrooms.
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

I was thinking more along the lines of, that Rodgers should have been in Green Bay right after the draft when the new players arrived.
That would have been a time to get to know the new wide receivers and start getting on the same page.
I think that would be tremendously helpful in getting on the same page.
That's something a real leader would have done rather than run off to some remote place to smoke psychedelic mushrooms.

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That's what fans have been saying, but players say you don't build that chemistry in OTA's, so I dunno. Some were also saying not having Aaron Rodgers there made it easier for rookies. I also thought I read somewhere that Rodgers was calling/texting the guys things throughout the off-season to help with expectations and things to focus on. I can't recall where though, or if it was in an interview.

Yes, QB was enjoying a ayahuasca retreat in 2020. Did he do it again this off-season? Anyway, Tom Brady was recruiting guys like Julio Jones via Instagram and our QB was getting high. Wild world lol
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go.pack.go.
2 years ago

It's a subset of the real issue, which is that Aaron is running the team.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Aaron said multiple times during interviews that he would play during preseason if that’s what LaFleur wanted. He just didn’t want to play 1-2 series. He wanted to play a whole quarter or an entire half if he was going to play though. So I don’t think starters not playing was a Rodgers decision.

And to your point Zero, yes I believe Rodgers stated during his interview on the Pat McAfee show that he got high again this offseason.
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2 years ago

Teams don't game plan. Teams don't scheme. Teams run vanilla offense and vanilla defense. Aside from getting used to getting HIT and HITTING, I'm not sure what more can be had from playing in preseason games. Although, as I said, it does give them that competitive taste of the game environment. Veterans have time and time said they get more from training camp practices than preseason games. Younger players (1-3 years) certainly benefit from preseason games, in my opinion.

One thing I think preseason can help with his tackling because the NFLPA sissified the CBA where they can't tackle much in practice anymore.

What do you think preseason games are going to do? Vikings didn't play starters and they have new offense and defense. Maybe we struggled with them because we didn't know what to prepare for and they had over 50 games of tape to find our flaws? 🤷‍♂️

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I am more than aware teams run vanilla O & D in the PS. Nevertheless there are still a lot of things they can work on. These are professionals. If they and their coaching staffs can't think of anything that will improve the team by scrimmaging against real competition then they should not be in the NFL. For example, timing is something they can work on. Even if it's not a formation they will use. Aaron can throw the ball to a receiver in practice at half speed with no defenders getting up in their grill but they haven't really learned anything have they? Even if it's preseason Aaron can learn the tendencies of the WR when they are pressured. The formation may not look the same but a go route is a go route. It may be vanilla on teh LOS but it's not vanilla when the receiver sprints down field or cuts in after 10 yards.

Again, I don't care what any other team does or doesn't do. Being successful 1 out of 4 times means something has to be done differently. It's 0 for 4 if you look at the offense and the defense as actually being on the same team. Not once with MLF as HC has the team looked good week 1. Not once.
Rationalize all you want. Make excuses in the end the final answer is still NOT ONCE.







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