Tanking? How do you feel about it?

beast
Select Member Topic Starter

3 years ago

Part of Brian Flores lawsuit against the Dolphins states he was offered an additional $100,000 per loss as the owner was trying to tank for the #1 QB.

Former Browns head coach Hue Jackson stated he was also paid additional amount of money to tank. And some organization connected to him, claimed they had proof of the payments.

1) How do you feel about teams tanking I'm general? (Tanking = Losing on Purpose) Is it a fair part of the game, or is it dirty?

2) How do you feel about them paying additional money for it?

3) Should the NFL do something about it to try to stop it? If so what? And should the Dolphins and Browns owners be punished? What about other teams (such as the Eagles, whom were winning, and then suddenly put in their 3rd string QB and suddenly kept turning the ball over).

4) Technically, offering to pay money for someone to lose is illegal due to gambling rules, so technically the owner making these offers is illegal. Though the laws were more made for people betting on the games, the owners are still paying money to gain a benefit they otherwise might not have. Should law enforcement go after them (assuming there is decent proof).

5) Any other thoughts or comments on this?

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Martha Careful
Member

3 years ago

What an interesting Question/Subject!!!!

Tanking really does destroy the integrity of the game...and I am sure the gamblers don't care for it either (unless they know about it of course)

Perhaps they could do a lottery type system in regard to WHEN in the season the draft order is set. For example, after the season they draw a ball out of the hopper (ala lotto) with balls numbered weeks 8 through 17. If you sucked at week 8, you just suck and probably deserve a high draft pick. But, you might still have incentive to play well.

That way teams would not have an incentive at week 12 and beyond to 'tank it' if they are out of (or likely to be out of) the playoff picture

TANKS for bringing up the discussion point!!! 🙂

Go Packers!!!!

dhazer
Veteran Member

3 years ago

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful

Teams have been tanking for years to get the higher draft pick, I remember the Colts did it twice once for Peyton Manning and then again for Luck. And apparently, the Browns must really suck at doing things because their coach couldn't even tank enough to get the 1st draft pick lol.

But as you bring up I kind of agree with, I like the lottery style but why not make it like the NBA and take the 10 worse teams and they all get a chance at the #1 but make them all equal amount of balls so it would eliminate the idea of tanking for more balls. I think that would help eliminate it but I can still see a team with the 11 worst record tanking the last 2 games to try and get to 10th worst.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

beast
Select Member Topic Starter

3 years ago

If they do a lottery type system, then I don't want it to be a ton of teams. Maybe say the bottom 5 teams?

Which this year would be all the teams with less than 5 wins; Jaguars, Lions, Texans, Jets and Giants.

Or maybe just say all the teams will less than 5 wins get into the lottery?

In 2021 that would be 5 teams.
2020: 6 teams
2019: 4 teams
2018: 4 teams
2017: 4 teams
2016: 5 teams

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

3 years ago

Did Hue Jackson say that or suggest it?

wpr
Preferred Member

3 years ago

Did Hue Jackson say that or suggest it?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33202029/hue-jackson-accuses-cleveland-browns-paying-tank-2016-17

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

3 years ago

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33202029/hue-jackson-accuses-cleveland-browns-paying-tank-2016-17

Originally Posted by: wpr

Yikes. I was scoping out the Tweeter and people were saying he was suggesting it, not explicitly saying it.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

3 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast

What do I feel about tanking? Well, let me sum up my feelings with a quote from a man in whom we all respect in these parts.

"Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all of the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."

wpr
Preferred Member

3 years ago

It is more difficult to tank in the NFL than it is in the NBA. 11/22 players in the game vs 5. Tanking using requires the assistance of the QB. The very person you are wanting to replace. Even average QBs are excellent athletes and it's possible for them to throw the team on their back and drag them down field to victory.

If the NFL takes the last 5 or 6 teams and does a lottery, I don't think it would hurt. They have dumber rules than this. The NBA weighted lottery is a little different. Once again only 5 players and getting the very best in a draft can and will improve their record the next season. Getting the best QB won't if the OL is horrible, they have no WR at all or their defense is outrageously poor.

Granted the coach can put the backup QB in the game but the other players are still trying to keep their jobs too. The line will block to the bet of their ability. The RB is going to run. Subbing out one or two players isn't exactly throwing the game. Even when the OC calls a terrible play, the QB can change it at the line.

The worst 5 this year are
NYG
NYJ
Texas
Detroit
Jax
there is one game separating them. Carolina has one more win. Do they try to throw a game or two to get into the Forgetful 5? Who knows. The bares were only 2 wins away. The GM and HC were laying for their lives. No way do they want to throw games. They lost their jobs anyway. Which can and was the same for other bottom teams. Coaches won't want to try and lose unless they are in the first year of their contract. Then again more than a few have lost their job after only one year. Packers canned Ray Rhodes after only one season.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

3 years ago

#10

Well.....if he’s going to sue for that, he better have actual proof that he was being told to tank on purpose. Otherwise it’s just his word against the owners.
Being a NFL coach can be a tankless job.🤪

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