Zero2Cool
3 years ago

It seemed too easy, too good to be true. After further review, it isn’t.

The letter agreement between the NFL and NFL Players Association from Tuesday of this week does indeed grant broad powers to all players to opt out of the 2021 season, regardless of whether they opted out in 2020 or whether they have been diagnosed with a higher-risk condition since October 1, 2020. Although such players would be entitled to no stipend for 2021, any player who executed his most recent contract before October 1, 2020 can indeed opt out voluntarily, no questions asked as to motivation or qualification or possible ulterior motive.

This includes, most notably, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. By next Friday, July 2, he can pull the plug on the 2021 season. It would be a permanent and irrevocable decision, but he can do it.

The benefit to doing so comes from the fact that he would not forfeit $11.5 million in unearned signing bonus money for 2021 if he opts out. Also, he presumably would still receive the payments on the $6.8 million roster bonus that he earned in March, and that is due to be paid out in weekly installments during the season.

That’s $18.3 million that he’ll keep by opting out. If he doesn’t opt out but holds out, he loses that $18.3 million — and would be fined roughly $2 million on top of it for skipping training camp.

The problem with opting out is that it requires a fairly quick decision, and the decision cannot be changed. But if Rodgers truly is thinking about staying away for all of 2021, there are 20.3 million reasons for making a final and binding decision in the next seven days.

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yooperfan
3 years ago
That news makes me want to puke.
Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but there is no way, in my mind, that a player should be able to "opt out" and be able collect that kind of money.
That's highway robbery!!
Cheesey
3 years ago
But.....correct me if I’m wrong.....if he opts out, doesn’t that push his contract he signed into the next season? Which means he would again be under contract and not free to go where he wants? As well as losing another year?
If I am right, and that’s the case, the Packers could still force his hand.
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nerdmann
3 years ago
If he opts out, his contract would still have 3 more years, no? The contract would merely be pushed back, like with Funchess.

Aaron wants to rack up statistics. He's up there with the all timers. He won't sit out

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Zero2Cool
3 years ago
The article below had a quote that caught my eye. "If Rodgers opts out of the year his cap charge would drop from $36.702 million to $6.8 million, a savings of $29.902 million." If that's true that the Packers would recover $30 million for 2021, holy crap that would help out a lot. While also hurting a LOT by losing your NFL MVP QB.

https://overthecap.com/the-benefits-of-an-aaron-rodgers-opt-out/

The Benefits of an Aaron Rodgers Opt-OutPosted on June 25, 2021 by Jason Fitzgerald

Mike Florio had an interesting thought today at PFT in which he speculated that Aaron Rodgers could decide to use the Covid protocols to opt out of his contract for the year and avoid the potential hold out fight that might occur during the summer if he chooses to not attend camp. Rodgers is widely known to be at odds with the Packers over his future and the Packers have done little to pacify the situation which could make for an explosive summer. Rodgers has millions of dollars at risk if he holds out for the season (he has up to $13.7M in forfeiture that is possible) but none if he opts out. That doesn’t make Rodgers free and clear but it does pause the clock for both sides for a year and really would put the Packers in a stronger position next year.

If Rodgers opts out of the year his cap charge would drop from $36.702 million to $6.8 million, a savings of $29.902 million. That is money that the salary cap starved Packers could use to extend a player like Davante Adams or simply carry over to next year when the Packers situation goes from bad to worse. Next year Green Bay is projected to be $35 million over the salary cap.

With an opt out Rodgers contract from 2021 would toll to 2022. That would drop his salary cap number from $39.852 million to $30.402 million, a savings of $9.45 million. Ultimately that would mean that via the opt out the Packers would go from $35 million over the cap to about $4 million under the salary cap. The opt out would give the Packers essentially a free opportunity to look at 2nd year player Jordan Love as the starter for the team and gather the information necessary about Rodgers future.

When the Packers drafted Love the plan was likely to allow Rodgers to start in 2020 and most likely 2021 with a chance to phase out during the year if Rodgers did not play well. If Rodgers played poorly in 2020 they would have made the move to Love this year. Rodgers may have thrown a monkey wrench into those plans when he was spectacular in 2020 giving him all kinds of leverage to not only expect to be the starter for all of 2021 but to basically look for an assurance that he would be the starter the next few years and if they would not do that then they should trade him.

Trading Rodgers was always going to be near impossible this year. There is no way to sell a fanbase or veteran team on trading the MVP of the league for a complete unknown. In turn the Packers have gone on a bit of a campaign trying to paint Rodgers the villain calling him complicated and publicly admitting that he is tearing apart their fanbase this offseason with his feud with the team in the event that he does not show up or is able to force a trade. Packers management would look terrible if they traded Rodgers, even under those circumstances, and he flourished while Love struggled.

The cost to trade Rodgers would remain high ($31.556M) next year but there would be no rush for Green Bay to execute the move and they could in theory even delay it to June 2 if they found a partner to play ball since his cap number would have dropped by so much following the opt out. The decision would also be far easier for all involved since they would have 16 games of Love to evaluate. If Love is terrible then they know it is time to mend the fences with Rodgers and continue the relationship with no threat of benching for the next three years. If Love is good they can trade Rodgers without all the negativity that would come with it this year.

The Packers would also retain the same rights to forfeiture as they currently hold next year if there was another blow up between the two sides. When the contract goes on pause due to Covid all the rights transfer forward even those pertaining to recovery of a $6.8 million bonus that was paid this March. So really there is no harm to Green Bay at all unless they are worried about Love starting at all this season and if they were we probably wouldnt be here right now because they would have gone well out of their way to make up with Rodgers. So definitely an interesting theory even if it is a big longshot.


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3 years ago
I would be curious to know...(Beast, Nerd, capoligists in the group). If 12 did opt out, could the Packers use his $30mm 2021-2 cap space to lock up/front load the guys who will be free agents next year (Alexander, et al)?

Then you could have a situation where you would have a full season to see what you would be likely be getting in the future from Love. [list][*]If Love looked like he could be the guy, you trade 12, and have 12's cap in subsequent years to add additional talent. [*] If Love did not look so hot, keep 12 around and you kept Rodgers, you would have had the benefit of having used the $30 to lock up other guys. [/list]Again, if so, sitting out would seem like a huge risk for Rodgers to take as he ages and could likely be in a much less QB friendly system, and leave the Packers with an interesting "free look at Love with benefits."
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nerdmann
3 years ago
My understanding is that yes, it would open up $30mil in cap space.

And yes, drop that money on all the guys who just signed, and/or are about to sign. Apply it to our current cap obligations rather than bringing in new players.

I would still start Bortles for the first 6-10 weeks. If you start Love right away and he struggles, it has bad optics. Let Bortles struggle and be replaced. Imagine how nuts the Aaron Rodgers media would go if we had to pull Love out of a game.

I would also let Davante walk, but that's juzt me. We need to replace him soon. He can still get it done, but he's getting closer to 30 and is gonna demand to get PAID. "I am the best WR in the NFL" type of money.
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3 years ago
Ty for the reply Nerd.

I am not sure I agree with this...but I see your point

I would still start Bortles for the first 6-10 weeks. If you start Love right away and he struggles, it has bad optics. Let Bortles struggle and be replaced. Imagine how nuts the Aaron Rodgers media would go if we had to pull Love out of a game.

6 weeks seems a bit long to me. IF Bortles is ready (a big IF IMO) unless he is lighting it up, I would say you yank him until he struggles. Further, I would start Love regardless against the Bungles and probably the Lions.

Again, thank you for addressing my bigger question i.e. the cap....if he sits, 12 might actually be doing the Packers a long term favor.
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3 years ago
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