beast
4 years ago


If a guy on offense fumbles, and does it consistently, chances are he won’t see the field.
King was a 100% liability.

So why not at least try to stop the bleeding?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Because the other options are worse, much worse... how worse? Josh Jackson and Hollman haven't even been active in the last couple of games...

Yeah you could bench King... but then who do you ask to play RCB?

Sullivan who's been at nickel all year and having some of his own troubles?

Tramon Williams who's past his prime, hasn't practice much with the team this year and the Packers choose not to bring back even at dirt cheap prices until the post season?

Or Savage? I'll be honest, I'm not completely against trying this idea, but I'd want to do it in practice and a Regular season game first...




UserPostedImage
all_about_da_packers
4 years ago

Because the other options are worse, much worse... how worse? Josh Jackson and Hollman haven't even been active in the last couple of games...

Yeah you could bench King... but then who do you ask to play RCB?

Sullivan who's been at nickel all year and having some of his own troubles?

Tramon Williams who's past his prime, hasn't practice much with the team this year and the Packers choose not to bring back even at dirt cheap prices until the post season?

Or Savage? I'll be honest, I'm not completely against trying this idea, but I'd want to do it in practice and a Regular season game first...

Originally Posted by: beast 



In fairness to Cheesey, King was really really bad. Like "Bro, have you ever played football?" levels of bad. I can't even justify what on earth would lead him to jump so early on the opening drive TD he gave up, let alone the TD to Miller or the shirt grab at the end. At least with Chandon Sullivan, it wasn't "is this your first time playing football?" bad.

If your not going to play Tramon when your #2 CB is struggling to the level King was, then why sign him in the first place? The point of a vet that can still play is to use him when it benefits a team (which includes as an injury replacement)... especially when Tramon has some basic football sense/IQ, familiarity in the slot and is familiar with Pettine's system dating back to both their time in Cleveland.

What's the worst Hollman or Tramon could've done? Surely it wouldn't be worse than jumping 3 seconds and 5 yards early on a deep ball, or loosing your man for a long TD with the offense having no timeouts and being out of FG range, or grabbing the WR's jersey with one hand then letting go only to grab the jersey with your other hand (which is exactly what King did on the last penalty). Our defense generally has survived on not giving up big plays and forcing teams into stalling or making mistakes while giving up chunks of yards here or there. I can see Cheesey's point of any one of our backup CBs contributing to such a strategy more than Kevin King did.

Even if it is for the vet minimum, I just don't want King back. He was so bad that I literally cannot even see value in having him for next to nothing. MAYBE you can excuse that performance from a first year player... but a four year vet like King? GTFO of GB.
The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.
beast
4 years ago

In fairness to Cheesey, King was really really bad. Like "Bro, have you ever played football?" levels of bad. I can't even justify what on earth would lead him to jump so early on the opening drive TD he gave up, let alone the TD to Miller or the shirt grab at the end. At least with Chandon Sullivan, it wasn't "is this your first time playing football?" bad.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 

My comment didn't address or attack Cheesey the person, not his thoughts or ideas. So I'm not sure why we need fairness for him when clearly he's not on trial.

Yeah that timing of that jump was just plain weird, and honestly reminded me of the Seahawks game (was it the two point conversation), where Wilson threw a ball almost straight vertical, should of been easy picking to knock away since they were already in the redzone and Haha could track it worth a darn weird.

But the Packers also had good coverage on a lot of plays which is why Brady had to throw up chance balls and Packers should of had at least 4 INTs, if not more. King had his absolutely horrible moments, but he had some good coverage in there too, it's just much much mmmmmmuch harder to remember.

If your not going to play Tramon when your #2 CB is struggling to the level King was, then why sign him in the first place?

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 

Great question, I can't tell you why they didn't sign him earlier in the season, nor why they brought him back then.

But they felt like he was worse than King... and Tramon strength was in the slot last season, where King started on the over him and he got best out by Sullivan.

And again, King played horrible at times, but he also played good at times, he literally is Mr. Inconsistent.

What's the worst Hollman or Tramon could've done?

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 


I don't know about Tramon, but Hollman hasn't been able to beat out Jackson, who's looked a whole lot worst than King when the ball isn't in front of him...

UserPostedImage
Cheesey
4 years ago

In fairness to Cheesey, King was really really bad. Like "Bro, have you ever played football?" levels of bad. I can't even justify what on earth would lead him to jump so early on the opening drive TD he gave up, let alone the TD to Miller or the shirt grab at the end. At least with Chandon Sullivan, it wasn't "is this your first time playing football?" bad.

If your not going to play Tramon when your #2 CB is struggling to the level King was, then why sign him in the first place? The point of a vet that can still play is to use him when it benefits a team (which includes as an injury replacement)... especially when Tramon has some basic football sense/IQ, familiarity in the slot and is familiar with Pettine's system dating back to both their time in Cleveland.

What's the worst Hollman or Tramon could've done? Surely it wouldn't be worse than jumping 3 seconds and 5 yards early on a deep ball, or loosing your man for a long TD with the offense having no timeouts and being out of FG range, or grabbing the WR's jersey with one hand then letting go only to grab the jersey with your other hand (which is exactly what King did on the last penalty). Our defense generally has survived on not giving up big plays and forcing teams into stalling or making mistakes while giving up chunks of yards here or there. I can see Cheesey's point of any one of our backup CBs contributing to such a strategy more than Kevin King did.

Even if it is for the vet minimum, I just don't want King back. He was so bad that I literally cannot even see value in having him for next to nothing. MAYBE you can excuse that performance from a first year player... but a four year vet like King? GTFO of GB.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 


Thanks allabout.
Your post summed up exactly how I feel.
I would have put Tramon in for the second half.
If a guy makes plays even half of the time, that means half of the time he sucks. In a title game, that will kill you. (As it did the Packers). This was a wasted season. Can they make it back to the title game a third straight time? With a MUCH harder schedule? I don’t know. I hope so, but am not counting on it.
If they don’t fix the glaring holes this off season, the same thing will happen.
Funchess, has he played, maybe would have been a good #2 WR. But we will never know. If Ervin could have stayed healthy, maybe he would have helped a lot. He’s was really a good addition.
Our special teams sucked, once again. Other teams can make plays on STs, why have ours been so terrible?
Field position in the title game hurt us bad.
I’m still not over this loss. I’m better then I was, but every time I see an add for SB55, I want to throw up. I know it’s “just” a game, but it’s one of the few things that have helped me in this covid thing.
It took four months of hard work for the Packers to get there, home field throughout the playoffs, and the tires fell off. I’m just (still) frustrated.

UserPostedImage
Mucky Tundra
4 years ago

But what Lord Sixth (best avatar on here, hands down, Mucky) was suggesting displayed faulty logic, IMO.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



Thanks! I always wondered if anyone recognized it all. I've always imagined Smokey being baffled by it. With the angle in the image, it looks like Kakashi is just scrolling through the forum, reading posts and ignoring mission paperwork.

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”
UserPostedImage
"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (14-Feb) : Packers are hiring Luke Getsy as senior offensive assistant.
Martha Careful (12-Feb) : I would love to have them both, esp. Crosby, but either might be too expensive.
Zero2Cool (12-Feb) : Keisean Nixon is trying to get Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams lol
Mucky Tundra (11-Feb) : Yeah where did it go?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : *winning MVP
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Yes, the Pro Bowl. It was played Sunday before Super Bowl from 2010-2022
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : pro bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : From 2010 to 2022, it was played on the Sunday before the Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : They moved it to the BYE week before Super Bowl several years ago.
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : it was always after the SB.....
beast (10-Feb) : Though I stop following pro bowl years ago
beast (10-Feb) : I thought the pro game was before the Super Bowl?
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : ok now for the Pro Bowl Game in Hawaii
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : If I was Philly I would try to end it instead of punting it
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : VICTORY! We have (moral) victory!
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Hey they mentioned that we 3-peted
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : seems to me the 49ers should have traded Aiyuk when they had the chance
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : if the Eagles get it down to the 1, do they Tush Push or give it to Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : 49ers have a money problem if they want to sign their QB
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Wait for real? Didn't he just get an extension two years ago?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : 49ers gonna trade Deebo. Interesting
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Replays always never seem to show the holdings
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Great throw by Hurts
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Where Carter falls prey to bad off the field influences (to be clear, not saying he'd clip someone though)
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : I think some of his coaches told scouts to stay away
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : the street racing incident+conditioning and motivation problems
beast (10-Feb) : Then Carter was street racing, where the other car crashed and people died... and other teams were scared to pick Carter for some reason
beast (10-Feb) : I think the Saints traded up, giving their next year 1st to the Eagles, and then they sucked and Eagles got the 10th overall pick
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : wtf Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : for some reason i'm thinking of a draft where the Eagles where in the mid 20s and a top player fell all the way to them
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think so. I would need to look it up. Think it may have been Carolina's pick.
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : i'm not sure who i'm thinking of now
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : oh fuck me i messed that up
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Jordan Davis was 13th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Carter was 9th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles had 15th and 10th selections, moved to 13 and 9 to get Davis and Carter back to back
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles traded up for Carter, didn't they?
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Obviously he was a huge risk but getting a top 5 talent on the dline in the mid 20s is fortuitous
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Jalen Carter falling into their lap certainly helps
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : And we could only wish to have this type of D
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : It's not like Philly has had low draft picks, but has managed to get themselves a top notch pass rush. We spend so much draft capital of D
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : another crap halftime show
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think it is over, but then I think of Atlanta and want Philly to go in with the same intensity in the second half
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
4h / Around The NFL / beast

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

15-Feb / Around The NFL / beast

15-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

14-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

14-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

13-Feb / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

10-Feb / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

10-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

9-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

9-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

7-Feb / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.