Zero2Cool
4 years ago
I have no idea if this source can be trusted. If true, wow. With that initial reaction, what does a national lockdown actually mean? Does this mean you can't go and get a Toad in a hole?

The lockdown seems similar to what we've got going on in the United States.

LONDON (AP) — Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced on Monday a new national lockdown for England until at least mid-February to combat a fast-spreading new variant of the coronavirus, even as Britain ramped up its vaccination program by becoming the first nation to start using the shot developed by Oxford University and drugmaker AstraZeneca.

Johnson said people must stay at home again, as they were ordered to do so in the first wave of the pandemic in March, this time because the new virus variant was spreading in a “frustrating and alarming” way.

“As I speak to you tonight, our hospitals are under more pressure from COVID than at any time since the start of the pandemic,” he said in a televised address.

From Tuesday, primary and secondary schools and colleges will be closed for face to face learning except for the children of key workers and vulnerable pupils. University students will not be returning until at least mid-February. People were told to work from home unless it’s impossible to do so, and leave home only for essential trips.

All nonessential shops and personal care services like hairdressers will be closed, and restaurants can only operate takeout services.

https://apnews.com/article/uk-1st-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-virus-013f538e8ec3a153a4d2e39601961472 





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4 years ago
I can’t help but wonder if this wasn’t some kind of germ warfare that got out of control.
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4 years ago

I can’t help but wonder if this wasn’t some kind of germ warfare that got out of control.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I don't think that at all. However, when I see corporations benefiting from the reaction of the virus, I start to wonder how opportunistic some are being with this situation. I tend to trail off into conspiracy land though and dismiss it.

I think the virus is real. I think the reaction to it was blown out of proportion. I also believe that fear is a tool used for controlling people, intentionally or not.
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4 years ago
Viruses mutate. The South African mutation is worse than England.

In London, you can go to the store and exercise once a day outside. Nurseries are open, but most schools are closed. You can go to work only if you really need to, i.e., can't do the task remotely.

However, statistically, the focus should remain on hospitalizations and deaths, not "cases" as they are overstated. The net:
https://summit.news/2021/01/04/statistician-lockdowns-dont-work-because-they-force-people-to-congregate-in-fewer-places/ [/list]Also, for those of you contemplating the vaccine, you should be aware it only lasts for 3 months.
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4 years ago

Also, for those of you contemplating the vaccine, you should be aware it only lasts for 3 months.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Where was this proven?
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Two of my friends received the Moderna vaccine here and that's what they were told. More specifically, they were told "we cannot be sure it lasts more than 3 months."

See charts in the following link....effectiveness declines fairly rapidly ...https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/12/22/the-moderna-vaccines-antibodies-may-not-last-as-long-as-we-hoped/?sh=18952beb4567

Quoting Article
"However, sustained antibody counts are not the case in the 56-70 and 71+ age groups. In these subsets, the neutralizing antibody counts fall anywhere between 50 and 75 percent. This suggests that in these age groups, the duration of neutralizing antibodies from the Moderna vaccine will be relatively short,"

Also, from Alex Berenson via twitter

Through Dec. 22, with fewer than 1 million doses of the #Covid vaccine given, @cdcgov's vaccine injury reporting system received 307 reports of ER visits and 17 "life threatening" events.

Per dose, that's roughly 50 times the rate of adverse events from the flu vaccine...

In 2019-2020, about 175 million flu vaccine doses were given. 1220 ER visits and 73 "life threatening" events were reported. The data is on the CDC VAERS Website.

Caveats: physicians et al may be more diligent about reporting #Covid vaccine events, since the vaccine is new and the data is theoretically updated through Friday Jan. 1, which would be a much higher denominator. However, I believe it is correct to use Dec. 22 as the last date for Covid adverse events because I cannot find any later reports in the system...

Plus, the first Covid vaccine doses have mostly been given to healthy people in settings where problems can be quickly treated. These problems are occurring BEFORE the rollout to older, less healthy people - and before the 2nd dose, which is known to be far more dangerous and this merely confirms what the clinical trials showed (in general, though not always, clinical trials tend to UNDERSTATE real world problems and OVERSTATE efficacy, because any smart drug company will try to bias the trials in its favor).


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4 years ago
This Is Why The New Mutant COVID Strain That Is Ravaging South Africa Has Scientists Extremely Worried…
January 4, 2021
http://themostimportantnews.com/this-is-why-the-new-mutant-covid-strain-that-is-ravaging-south-africa-has-scientists-extremely-worried/ 
Over the past couple of weeks, the new coronavirus strain known as “Super COVID” has been racing through the UK and making headlines all over the globe, but scientists insist that the new mutant COVID strain in South Africa is potentially much more dangerous. Just like “Super COVID” in the UK, there is evidence that the South African strain spreads faster, and South Africa’s health minister has warned that there is “anecdotal evidence” of a “larger proportion of younger patients with no co-morbidities presenting with critical illness”. But the biggest reason why health authorities are so concerned about this particular strain is because it has mutated so dramatically that the current vaccines that have been developed may not work against it. The following comes from a Reuters article entitled “UK scientists worry vaccines may not protect against S.African coronavirus variant”…
UK scientists expressed concern on Monday that COVID-19 vaccines being rolled out in Britain may not be able to protect against a new variant of the coronavirus that emerged in South Africa and has spread internationally.
Both Britain and South Africa have detected new, more transmissible variants of the COVID-19-causing virus in recent weeks that have driven a surge in cases. British Health Secretary Matt Hancock said on Monday he was now very worried about the variant identified in South Africa.
Even though the UK is the epicenter of the “Super COVID” outbreak, the British are so alarmed by the South African strain that they have banned all flights from South Africa. In an interview with the BBC, Hancock admitted that he is “incredibly worried” about what is happening in South Africa right now…
“I’m incredibly worried about the South African variant, and that’s why we took the action that we did to restrict all flights from South Africa,” he told the BBC’s “Today” program.
“This is a very, very significant problem … and it’s even more of a problem than the U.K. new variant.”

As the Daily Mail recently explained, the vaccines that have already been developed are designed to get the body to identify COVID’s “spike protein”, and if this does not happen they will not work properly…
Covid vaccines – including the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford University/AstraZeneca jabs currently being rolled out across Britain – work by training the body to spot the virus’s spike protein.
If the spike mutates so much that it becomes unrecognizable then it could render vaccines useless or make them less potent.
Scientists are telling us that the new mutant strain in South Africa has a total of eight changes to the spike protein, and Dr. John Bell of Oxford University is calling them “pretty substantial changes”…

Dr. John Bell of Oxford University said Sunday the variant identified in South Africa was worrisome in this regard, however.
“They both have multiple, different mutations in them, so they’re not a single mutation,” he told Times Radio. “And the mutations associated with the South African form are really pretty substantial changes in the structure of the (virus’ spike) protein.”
At this moment, we do not know if the current vaccines will be rendered useless by this new mutant strain or not.
But it is being reported that early tests have shown that at least one of the mutations appears to have made the virus more resistant to antibodies…
One, called E484K, is particularly alarming, Dr Richard Lessells, an infectious-disease specialist at the KwaZulu-Natal Research Innovation and Sequencing Platform, told the Wall Street Journal.
When he and his team tested antibodies from donated plasma or lab made ones against that mutated bit of the virus variant, the immune cells were less effective.
Of course much more testing needs to be done, and those tests are being conducted right now.
According to a top official in the UK, scientists may be able to come to some sort of a conclusion in a couple of weeks…
Jonathan Van-Tam, England’s deputy chief medical officer, said in response to a question from POLITICO on December 30 that this work can take 12 to 14 days, and that it may be a couple of weeks before scientists can give “a solid steer” on whether the vaccines will be effective on new variants.
So it may be a while before we know for sure if the current vaccines will be effective against this frightening new mutant strain in South Africa or not.
But what we do know is that this new strain is rapidly becoming dominant in large portions of South Africa…
The variant, 501.V2, is more infectious than the original COVID-19 virus and has rapidly become dominant in South Africa’s coastal areas. It is expected that the variant will quickly become dominant inland in Johannesburg, the country’s largest city, and the surrounding Gauteng province, he said.
If it is becoming dominant there, there is a good chance that it will become dominant as it spreads elsewhere as well.
In recent days, two cases of the South African strain have been confirmed in the UK, and there have also been cases detected in Finland, Switzerland and Australia.
Then on Monday, a case popped up in Austria…
On Monday, Austria announced that it had discovered one case of the South African mutation in a 30-year-old woman who returned from a trip on Dec. 6.
And officials in Japan just announced that a case has been identified in their country…
Japan on Monday detected a coronavirus variant found in South Africa, the government said, the first such discovery in a nation that has already identified more than a dozen cases of another variant that is spreading rapidly in Britain.
So it appears that the cat is already out of the bag.
A whole host of nations have already put travel restrictions in place to try to keep this deadly new strain from spreading more widely.
But so far the U.S. is not among them. In fact, testing is not even required for people traveling to the U.S. from South Africa.
Just like we have seen with “Super COVID”, it is probably just a matter of time before the South African strain spreads all over the planet.
And if the current vaccines will not work against it, that will put scientists back to square one in fighting this pandemic
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Of course there are tens of millions of people in the United States that will never take any COVID vaccine under any circumstances. Many are deeply concerned about the potential long-term effects of these experimental mRNA vaccines, and there is still so much that we do not know about them.
These are such troubled times, and the “perfect storm” that started in 2020 is only going to get worse in 2021.
Scientists thought that the new vaccines would give them the upper hand in dealing with this pandemic, but that may not be the case after all.
And as COVID continues to mutate, it is inevitable that there will be even more surprises for our health authorities in the months ahead…


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Cheesey
4 years ago
Like I said before, this vaccine was pushed through so fast. They have no idea what it will do side affect wise.
It might end up killing more then helping.
Drug trials take years. At least they make it take years.
But this? Shove it through.
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I think every individual has to look at their own risk profile and make a decision for themselves.

For me personally, 64 y.o., no comorbidities, blood type O and reasonably healthy, I can wait. There higher risk individuals....elderly, blacks, front line workers...who should be ahead of the line before me, and I don't mind. In the grand scheme of things, I am expendable. Also, because the efficacy is only 3 months after the second shot I am kind of thinking...meh. I don't want to take a series of shots 3 times a year.

To be frank, most the people who I talk to (whose opinion matters) say the vaccine likely can't hurt especially if you don't have anaphylactic allergies. On the other hand, my son-in-law, who is a Dr., just told me that an associate of his, who took the Pfizer vaccine 10 days ago, now has full blown Covid...so who knows.

Further, they are making very good strides with therapeutics, which are a much better answer than vaccines.
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Let's hope so......that would be great

Moderna CEO says vaccine likely to protect for 'couple of years'
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/moderna-aiming-1-billion-doses-082843308.html 

Thu, 7 January 2021, 8:28 am GMT·1-min read By Reuters Staff

PARIS (Reuters) - Moderna's COVID-19 mRNA vaccine is likely to offer protection of up to a couple of years, its chief executive said on Thursday, even though more data is still needed to make a definitive assessment.

The U.S. biotech company, which stunned the world last year by coming up with a vaccine against the disease caused by the new coronavirus in just a few weeks, received approval for its shot from the European Commission on Wednesday.

Given vaccines development and pharmacovigilance usually requires years, the protection duration of COVID-19 shots is a lingering question for scientists and regulators.

"The nightmare scenario that was described in the media in the spring with a vaccine only working a month or two is, I think, out of the window," Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel said at an event organised by financial services group Oddo BHF.

"The antibody decay generated by the vaccine in humans goes down very slowly (...) We believe there will be protection potentially for a couple of years."

Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa.

Scientists have said newly developed vaccines should be equally effective against both variants.


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