Zero2Cool
4 years ago
Todd Gurley has been replaced by Ito Smith. I think Gurley was a top 15 pick and Ito was a fourth round pick.

I'd be remiss not to mention the obvious here. Gurley has been dinged up a lot, but damn, he's just 26 years old and already replaced.



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Cheesey
4 years ago
The Rams rode the guy to death.
With Aaron Jones, he has been used a lot, but also has been spelled by Williams. He hasn’t been the sole RB.
And now if they add Dillon into the fold, it takes even more pressure off of Jones.
To me, you can’t let a guy that’s been so great for the team walk.
He’s a great RB and receiving threat. Those don’t come along very often. You reward players that deserve it. He does.
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go.pack.go.
4 years ago
It would be a hell of a mistake to let him walk. The dude is a beast, a heck of a good person, and for the most part he is usually healthy.

Todd Gurley has injury issues, including arthritis in his knee/knees.
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4 years ago

The Rams rode the guy to death.
With Aaron Jones, he has been used a lot, but also has been spelled by Williams. He hasn’t been the sole RB.
And now if they add Dillon into the fold, it takes even more pressure off of Jones.
To me, you can’t let a guy that’s been so great for the team walk.
He’s a great RB and receiving threat. Those don’t come along very often. You reward players that deserve it. He does.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Everything is subjective. For example if he wants $100 million a year you can't keep him. That's a ridiculous number but even at $15 mil they can't afford him. At $10 million you probably won't be able to keep other players.

It's difficult to keep everyone you want. If you want to give Dillion 10 carries a game. 6 to Williams if resigned and 10 to Jones you are limiting your MVP QB from playing his game.
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4 years ago

Everything is subjective. For example if he wants $100 million a year you can't keep him. That's a ridiculous number but even at $15 mil they can't afford him. At $10 million you probably won't be able to keep other players.

It's difficult to keep everyone you want. If you want to give Dillion 10 carries a game. 6 to Williams if resigned and 10 to Jones you are limiting your MVP QB from playing his game.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

very well said. If the offensive line was stronger, it would matter less who we have back there. And it would make Aaron Rodgers even more effective.

If it’s going to be $15-$20 million a year, I would much rather spend the money on the OL and DL and take our chances with Williams and Dillon and another draft pick.


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Cheesey
4 years ago

Everything is subjective. For example if he wants $100 million a year you can't keep him. That's a ridiculous number but even at $15 mil they can't afford him. At $10 million you probably won't be able to keep other players.

It's difficult to keep everyone you want. If you want to give Dillion 10 carries a game. 6 to Williams if resigned and 10 to Jones you are limiting your MVP QB from playing his game.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I know you can’t keep everyone. And if Jones isn’t reasonable, there’s not much you can do. My statement is you TRY your best to keep him.
As far as limiting Rodgers, we know both Jones and Williams are great at catching passes out of the backfield . So you don’t have to give them that many carries. You can use them in pass plays as well. It also keeps the defense honest, as just because they are on the field doesn’t mean a running play. They could be there to block for Rodgers, or go out for a pass.
We have seen how big that has been this season, right?
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beast
4 years ago
My guess is depending on price, we'll Franchise Tag RB Aaron Jones and see how RB Dillion is coming along. I think the Packers want them both, if they can agree to a price with Jones, which is sounds like his old agent couldn't... so he got a new agent. If Jones wants to stick with the Packers with a long term deal, he might have to take a bit below top of market value offer, which suddenly sky rocketed this year for RBs.

But I think this scheme is the best for Jones... as it doesn't ask him to pass block as much as some other schemes. Which Jones can do, but I'm pretty sure he's gotten more banged up pass blocking than any other way... plus lots of teams have already locked up an expensive RB, or high drafted RB on cheap rookie contract, so I'm not sure how the RB market would be right now.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

My guess is depending on price, we'll Franchise Tag RB Aaron Jones and see how RB Dillion is coming along. I think the Packers want them both, if they can agree to a price with Jones, which is sounds like his old agent couldn't... so he got a new agent. If Jones wants to stick with the Packers with a long term deal, he might have to take a bit below top of market value offer, which suddenly sky rocketed this year for RBs.

But I think this scheme is the best for Jones... as it doesn't ask him to pass block as much as some other schemes. Which Jones can do, but I'm pretty sure he's gotten more banged up pass blocking than any other way... plus lots of teams have already locked up an expensive RB, or high drafted RB on cheap rookie contract, so I'm not sure how the RB market would be right now.

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What RB that went to a new team on a big deal had success? I suppose, maybe success on the field isn't that important as the contract? I think Melvin Gordon is doing OK on his two year $16 contract.

Man, looking at the salaries and so many RB's were overpaid. This really screws up the market. I am glad I am not a GM.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2021/running-back/cap-hit/ 


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I know you can’t keep everyone. And if Jones isn’t reasonable, there’s not much you can do. My statement is you TRY your best to keep him.
As far as limiting Rodgers, we know both Jones and Williams are great at catching passes out of the backfield . So you don’t have to give them that many carries. You can use them in pass plays as well. It also keeps the defense honest, as just because they are on the field doesn’t mean a running play. They could be there to block for Rodgers, or go out for a pass.
We have seen how big that has been this season, right?

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Easy Cheesey, I am not attacking you. Merely talking. In my layout above I am only giving Jones 10 carries a game. Those are running plays. He's averaging 15 carries now. Williams is about 9. Before even seeing any of their numbers I dropped him to 6. If we take Aaron's runs out of the mix they average 25 runs a game. My off the cuff scenario is 26. This leaves nothing for the jet sweep and end around plays that may prove effective. If for nothing else to hold the defense for an instant while the Packers do something else.

GB is certainly trying to keep Jones. If they weren't they would not be talking to his agents.
No team is going to give a player $10 million to carry the ball 10 times. Jones would not want to stay if he knew that's all his workload will be. Jones is going to want to carry the ball a min of 15 times a game plus receptions. More than likely he s looking for something closer to $12-15 mil a year. McCaffery, Elliott and Kamara are all at $15 mil or more.

According the AAV Joe Mixon is the 7th highest paid player at $12 mil (in 2021). I am sure after the season is over more RBs will be above that amount.
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isocleas2
4 years ago
What kind of pick package could the Packers reasonably expect for Jones? If its a 1st or 2nd I think they're better off trading him and drafting a replacement.

I'm a big fan of Jones just not a fan of overpaying at a non-premium position.
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