Voting is so fickle.
They don't choose the best coaches. They select the coach from the team who was the biggest surprise.
Back in October one Vegas site had MLF as 10th @ 1200 to 1.
Last week a different site has him 13th.
Yet another site says Flores at Miami, Gruden in Vegas and Kingsbury in AZ are better candidates.

Seriously?

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That's what I've been basically saying about the Heisman for a while there... they just vote for the new flashy toy QB... if there is none, then QB/RB on the #1 team.

But yeah never quite how they figured out best coach, but maybe it's like you said.

Pro-Bowl vote is a popularity contest joke.

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The Pro Bowl voting, currently underway, is indeed a popular vote. All poles, elections, and majority decisions are voted on. The determining factor is always who is doing the voting. Fans will of course vote for players from their home teams for the Pro Bowl. MVP, Coach of the Year, Rookie of the year, and other superlatives are voted on by a much smaller group.

LaFleur/Coach of the Year is possible. Yet in my experience the coach that has taken a team from a poor record to a playoff team generally gets rewarded. TB's addition of Brady/Gronk aside, they were a non factor for years. Look at their "total" team now and Bruce Arians deserves a slap on the back.

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Though the point was simply the pro bowl is a joke, the best players don't always get voted in...

And since so many players opt out, even more players that shouldn't be there get in. Plus I think they have still failed to fix the label problem, where edge rushers win at both DE and OLB, when edge rushers should be there own group.

Using that logic it should go to the Browns, they're actually relevant again... some years I questioned if they would ever be.

And Arians is a primadonna... I don't believe in ass kissing, so I'm happy he didn't with Brady, but it's also stupid to throw Brady under the bus, when some of those errors are clearly on the other guy...

One play, a pass rusher basically had a free rush at Brady, he had the choice of taking a sack, grounding or throwing the slant... and the WR looked back and appeared to be running the slant, Brady saw this and pulled the trigger... but then the WR seemed confused and ran a longer route... INT because the WR ran a longer route,

It looked clearly like the WR was short hot route and even looked back for the ball for a split second before stalling and running a longer route ... to me that's not on Brady, he had no other options, and if WR continued to look for the ball, that was an easy 5 yards (or more if he quickly shakes a guy)... I would want my QB to take the hot route over the hit and sack.

But Arians throw Brady under the bus like that, makes me feel sorry for Brady which is impossible (PS, not very sorry either). Reminds me when he asked his ST ACE CB to cover one on one man to man... think Jarrett Bush covering Adam thielen or Justin Jefferson.... yeah it was absolutely horrible... but I could of told you that it was an horrible idea 12 months before that... and never would have expected an NFL coach to actually attempt it. Target that guy on deep bombs all game long, and the other team did and Arians threw him under the bus, there was zero shot of that working though... zero. I can't blame the player for a scheme (with current players available) having zero shot... you have one of the best CBs in the game on the other side, at least you can do is help one CB.

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beast,

It is one thing to oppose or even debate my post, but selecting to not quote my entire post misrepresents my argument. Pro Bowl voting by the fans does tend to not elect some of the games best position players, but IMO the best players do rise like cream to the top and get recognized. Some do not and they too are debatable.

TB's HC, or Cleveland's HC, or another teams HC for Coach of the year was not my point. If anything, LaFleur should have been awarded the honor last season when he took over the job, installed a new offense, and saw the Smiths turn the GB Defense around. Coach of the Year honors, usually, a coach that revives a team and breathes new life into them. That said, never forget that a HC is either limited or aided by the personnel the team GM acquires.

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I could be wrong, but I felt like the 2020 Coach of the Year award is the point of this thread, specifically how LaFleur fits into it was the subject of this thread. So I don't know why that wouldn't be a point.

Now I'm not saying they will... but Brown's still have a shot at winning their division. If the Cleveland Brown's win the division, I think their head coach has to be the coach of the year. None, that's slim and none, but still I think that needs to be a starting point, especially since if they're able knock off the Ravens and Steelers he might be coach of the year even as a wildcard team.

And if one just wants to simplify it and just look NFC, I think people will have a hard time arguing LaFleur over Sean Peyton, when Sean Payton has been missing Drew Brees and keeps winning.

Also, if Football Teams win their division, we might have to watch out for Ron Rivera with the Cancer and taking over a new team, with a new name... 3 different QBs at least, etc... I don't think he'll get it, but I can see someone making a case that he had the most personal difficulties to overcome and NO ONE thought they'd win the division and they did.

But if Packers can overtake the Saints for the #1 seed, then they might have a case, for helping bring Rodgers back to his maximum, MVP level.

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I couldn't care less about any of these awards. I just want Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers to get his second Super Bowl MVP in February. I ain't asking for much. You can give rookie of the year to whomever. Coach of year to whomever. AP NFL MVP to whomever. I just want that Super Bowl MVP.

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Thank you so much for properly using the expression "couldn't care less"!!!

There are too many morons who say "I could care less" who have not mentally thought through how stupid that mis-expression is.

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I could care less what you think about it..........😂🤪😜😂😁

(I cant help it! I am after all, CHEESEY!😁)

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take away Rodgers, this team would be 3-13, maybe. That's why MLF is not in the running

Well, that is probably true.
But does that really take away from what has been accomplished by MLF the last 2 seasons?
And do you not see the difference the plays that MLF has put into the Packers offense, that has changed the way the offense performs?
That has made a HUGE difference in how incredible the offense has been this season.
It’s night and day from Mike McCarthys offensive plays.
Without MLFs new offense, we’d probaby end up 8-8 at the best, even with Rodgers.
Take away Mahomes from KC, or any superstar player from any team, and the teams wouldn’t be as good as they are with said stars.

Should that take away from what the head coach has added to the team?
Being such a young coach, and getting the team to perform at such a high level is amazing in my opinion.

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Although I believe many us undervalue and over blame Rodgers, he was here during MM last few years and the team was far worse (and no, he didn't 'tank' it)

MLF as clearly made a difference.

Whether he is COTY or not I am glad he is our coach.

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I think it's the system and Rodgers combination. As Rodgers is the best QB to ever play in this system, only one that you might be able to argue is John Elway.

Just in recent years this scheme has taken old broken Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Jared Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo to the Super Bowl. (yes you can argue Manning is up there with Rodgers but not during the one injured year in this system, which was his last year in the NFL).


Teams that use this system and their ranking in yards per game

Packers #2 in the NFL in offensive yards per game
Vikings #3
Titans #4
Rams #6

49ers #14 (lots of injuries including starting QB, though their backup QB is on pace for 2nd-most passing yards ever through 16 starts )
Browns #16 (#2 in running the ball and 9-3 record)

Jaguars #23 (kinda surprised they're not further down on this list, as their record sucks and they were thought to be the worst team in the NFL before the season, and had at least 3 different starting QBs)

Bengals #27, had the #1 pick in the NFL last year for a reason, and starting QB got injured.


So 8 teams (25% of the NFL) now use this offense

Of the 5 that have been able to keep their starting QB healthy.... 4 of those 5 (80%) are currently in the top 6 in offensive in yards per game

Or half of the teams that use this scheme are currently in the top top 6 teams in offensive yards per game.

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The only thing MLF has against him for winning COTY is Aaron Rodgers. Critics will say he is riding the tail coat of a HoF QB. What they dont know is MLF is scheming guys open in this offense and making Rodgers a step better then years past.

I think he should’ve won it last year. Look at the record difference from McCarthy to LaFleur....

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