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dyeah_gb
5 years ago

wpr's statistics on the city-specific breakdowns is interesting. dyeah_gb, are you willing to explain a better way to look at the data (either in a post or a private message)?

Originally Posted by: olds70supreme 



In a hypothetical world with infinite data, a multi-variate analysis would be best where you consider police fatalities with respect to crime rate, income, location, age, etc.

Given that doesn't exist, you are immediately stuck cherry picking the correlations which can always be challenged by those that oppose your point of view. Maybe, start by looking at cop fatalities in a region with similar black and white crime levels? If you can pull enough data you can assess if their is a statistically significant bias. Even then, the type of crime matters. In the end it is hard to do the analysis because you want more data. I am just not convinced by anecdotal claims on the matter. If it is so obvious, then why is it so hard to make an objective (non-emotional) case to the rest of us?

Even if you have a good data set, scientists can run into other problems . Unfortunately, sometimes intentional.
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olds70supreme
5 years ago
Thanks for the reply.

I admittedly didn't put much time or thought into the stats I linked to, mostly because I didn't have a purpose. I was reading previous posts, one of which said something that questioned whether the white population was really that much proportionally larger than the black population currently. That made me realize that I had no idea if that was true or not, so I looked up the demographic info. After that I got sucked into a wormhole looking at shooting deaths.

wpr's info made me realize there is more to it than broad generalized data from the entire country. I didn't recognize this before posting my info.

Your post reinforced that.

Additionally, the shooting death data is only a subset of a larger police violence data - it was only distracting to the conversation to focus in on that.

A different way to consider the entire situation is that "perception is reality" - if a perfect data analysis was performed and reported on, it still wouldn't matter if large portions of the population perceived their lives differently than the data indicated.
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dyeah_gb
5 years ago

Thanks for the reply.

I admittedly didn't put much time or thought into the stats I linked to, mostly because I didn't have a purpose. I was reading previous posts, one of which said something that questioned whether the white population was really that much proportionally larger than the black population currently. That made me realize that I had no idea if that was true or not, so I looked up the demographic info. After that I got sucked into a wormhole looking at shooting deaths.

wpr's info made me realize there is more to it than broad generalized data from the entire country. I didn't recognize this before posting my info.

Your post reinforced that.

Additionally, the shooting death data is only a subset of a larger police violence data - it was only distracting to the conversation to focus in on that.

A different way to consider the entire situation is that "perception is reality" - if a perfect data analysis was performed and reported on, it still wouldn't matter if large portions of the population perceived their lives differently than the data indicated.

Originally Posted by: olds70supreme 



Amen

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
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Worth a listen.....a bit long....11 minutes from a young black man:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA-srvqn_36/ 

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Reading about Floyd’s funeral....thousands waited in line for hours to get a glimpse of his golden casket....and there was a picture of him with angel wings and a halo.
His death was sad, but they make him out to be Mother Teresa! His arrest record has him arrested several times for theft and drug convictions. And in 2007 for armed robbery in a home invasion. Sentenced to 5 years in prison, he was paroled in 2013. Hardly a saint if you ask me. And he was a huge man, not some little guy. Had he done what the police told him to do, it wouldn’t have escalated.
That’s what I don’t get. The media makes him out to be this perfect guy who did no wrong, and don’t put any blame on him for his actions in this. Had he complied with the cops, he would still be alive. Yes, the cop went over board with the use of force. And he will be tried in court for it. I’m NOT justifying the cops actions!
But the use of Floyd’s death is insane. Just using him to throw fuel on the fire to cause more damage.

Thousands of people died because of corona virus, and families couldn’t even have a funeral to pay their respects to their loved ones. Yet thousands are allowed at Floyd’s funeral? Tell me there are not other motives at play here.
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dyeah_gb
5 years ago

Worth a listen.....a bit long....11 minutes from a young black man:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA-srvqn_36/ 

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Fantastic. Another conversation that gives me hope for the future here .

These conversations are so refreshing after the sickening response to Drew Brees' comments. All the disgusting self righteous journalists, athletes and celebrities who are spewing racism with a much louder megaphone than the everyday person.
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Brees should have never apologized for his statement. He loves and respects what the flag stands for, and for his relatives and other brave people that fought for this country. Those that disrespect the flag seem to forget that. They don’t seem to realize that that very flag stands for them to have the freedom to protest. You can protest in so many ways that don’t disrespect the flag.
When I was young, I was brought up in the cult of Jehovahs Witnesses. I wasn’t allowed to stand for the national anthem or say the pledge of allegiance. I was punched and belittled by other kids and even one teacher. Inside I loved my country, and didn’t understand why I couldn’t show it.
When I broke away from it, I asked my Mom why it was that way. She didn’t even understand it. Since then, I have never been ashamed to show my love for America. It’s not perfect, but then no country is.
That’s why one of my proudest moments was when I got to sing the national anthem at a Milwaukee Brewers game in 2010.
People seem to not understand just how good we have it here. Try protesting anything in Cuba, North Korea, Russia and so on. See what THAT would get you.
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Gentlemen, I would put forth the following: we need to have the same amount of distain and rage both with how those cops in MN acted and how the rioters are acting.
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Gentlemen, I would put forth the following: we need to have the same amount of distain and rage both with how those cops in MN acted and how the rioters are acting.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



I agree, and I do.
If people would come together, no protest, no riots, an honest talk back and forth, done with respect on both sides, it might go a lot farther to actually accomplish something positive then what we are seeing every day now.
I would love this all to be resolved in a positive way. It would be best for everyone.
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