beast
5 years ago

Not yet....Gutey is 3/4 with FA picks...Ted, not so much.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Woodson, Pickett and Howard Greene, FAs that helped win a Superbowl... add marquel and manual and that's 3/4 too.

Also whom are you counting as Gute miss... Graham or Turner?
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5 years ago
Gramm. Turner is an unknown.

Also, Gutey has been at the job two years? If the cupboard weren’t so bear, he wouldn’t have to have signed so many.
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I’m less interested in comparing Gary with Fackrell...both players rush the passer. I’m more interested in rushing the passer and stopping the run.

Coaches and GM’s nuance things and put their limitations on players, but first round draft choices, particularly those selected so early, should be contributing in a more meaningful way.

Good coaches find a way to use good players
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yooperfan
5 years ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I'm a Michigan fan who watches and reads all things Michigan.
Over the course of Gary's career at Michigan, in my wildest dreams, I never even remotely considered that Gary would ever be picked in the first round of the draft.
When the Packers picked him at the 12 spot I was in total shock and had to check his college highlights to see what I had missed during his Wolverine career.
I found that his highlight reel was very short, not anything that would indicate that this kid would be a first rounder.
Now we have a high first rounder that barely sees the field and when he does he just doesn't produce like a top draft pick is expected to.
It's too early to consider Gary a bust but from what I have seen of him through his college career and his rookie season in Green Bay I'm not expecting a lot of production from him.
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gbguy20
5 years ago

I’m less interested in comparing Gary with Fackrell...both players rush the passer. I’m more interested in rushing the passer and stopping the run.

Coaches and GM’s nuance things and put their limitations on players, but first round draft choices, particularly those selected so early, should be contributing in a more meaningful way.

Good coaches find a way to use good players

Originally Posted by: KRK 


That last part. Not sure about you guys but I'm still waiting for Pettine to prove he's a good coach. He's got this reputation that I would really like to see him live up to soon. Preferably starting now. The last 6 weeks or so, I'm beginning to doubt it.
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beast
5 years ago

I’m less interested in comparing Gary with Fackrell...both players rush the passer. I’m more interested in rushing the passer and stopping the run.

Coaches and GM’s nuance things and put their limitations on players, but first round draft choices, particularly those selected so early, should be contributing in a more meaningful way.

Good coaches find a way to use good players

Originally Posted by: KRK 



1) Gary isn't a good player yet... that's this point, he's a developmental player at best... Gute drafts for long term potential, not right away potential...

2) They should be contributing in a meaningful way, but maybe not as rookies... some guys suck as rookies and become better players later.... Gary clearly needed development, he was not a ready to go pro player, yet some are trying to evaluate him as such. You got a problem more with Gute evaluation methods (and maybe for good reasons), but your not complaining about Gute (yet).

Also Gary is coming from a simply scheme to a more complex one, and doesn't he have a learning disability? Might take him a little longer to learn the scheme. While you got guys that know it and more ready and more versatile playing.

3) Gary and Fackrell you left out pass coverage... Gary is more of a first line front physical guy only good at being physical right now... Fackrell is more a second line versatile guy, that's closer to a jack of all trades.

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buckeyepackfan
5 years ago

Gramm. Turner is an unknown.

Also, Gutey has been at the job two years? If the cupboard weren’t so bear, he wouldn’t have to have signed so many.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Ted took over in 2005 signed Manual in 2005,
Woodson and Pickett in 2006.
Howard Greene was a waiver pick up in 2010.

Back to topic

Someone Explain to me how you can call Gary a bust after 12 games, when he has been backing up the 2 high paid FA's

You would rather play Gary and sit one of the Smiths?

This is the same bullshit that has been going on for years

Player gets drafted by Green Bay
Player is expected to be the best at his position by the time the season starts or he is labeled a bust.

But hey, the Packershome experts have called him a bust
They are never wrong.
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I'm a Michigan fan who watches and reads all things Michigan.
Over the course of Gary's career at Michigan, in my wildest dreams, I never even remotely considered that Gary would ever be picked in the first round of the draft.
When the Packers picked him at the 12 spot I was in total shock and had to check his college highlights to see what I had missed during his Wolverine career.
I found that his highlight reel was very short, not anything that would indicate that this kid would be a first rounder.
Now we have a high first rounder that barely sees the field and when he does he just doesn't produce like a top draft pick is expected to.
It's too early to consider Gary a bust but from what I have seen of him through his college career and his rookie season in Green Bay I'm not expecting a lot of production from him.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I'm more interested in evaluating players that are in their third season than players who haven't even finished their rookie season. I agree, way too early to label any rookie a bust. It takes three seasons to evaluate a player with some accuracy. Unfortunately, fan bases all over can tend to be quick on jumping the "bust" train or even quick to say "Hall of Fame".

I'm not worried about Gary. He gets to learn behind the two Smith's. That has to help.
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5 years ago


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