Rookies rushing the QB · PACKERSHOME

wpr
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5 years ago

I got this from another site. It was put together by a Jets fan who wanted to compare Williams with the other rookies.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com . List is in order of draft position.

#2: Nick Bosa, EDGE: 36 Tackles, 24 Solo, 14 TFL, 8.0 Sacks, 16 QB Hits, 1 FF, 2 FR, 1 PD, 1 Int
Notes: None

#3: Quinnen Williams, IDL: 23 Tackles, 12 Solo, 3 TFL, 1.5 Sacks, 4 QB Hits, 0 FF, 1 FR, 1 PD, 0 Int
Notes: Missed weeks 2, 3, and the second half of week 1 due to injury.

#4: Clelin Ferrell, EDGE: 31 Tackles, 18 Solo, 4 TFL, 3.5 Sacks, 5 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 FR, 5 PD, 0 Int
Notes: Missed week 5 due to injury.

#7: Josh Allen, EDGE: 34 Tackles, 25 Solo, 10 TFL, 9.0 Sacks, 18 QB Hits, 2 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int
Notes: None.

#9: Ed Oliver, IDL: 28 Tackles, 16 Solo, 4 TFL, 5.0 Sacks, 7 QB Hits, 1 FF, 0 FR, 2 PD, 0 Int
Notes: None.

#12: Rashan Gary, EDGE: 13 Tackles, 7 Solo, 1 TFL, 1.0 Sacks, 2 QB Hits, 0 FF, 1 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int
Notes: Hasn't started a game or played more than 36% of the defensive snaps.

#13: Christian Wilkins, IDL: 44 Tackles, 23 Solo, 2 TFL, 1.0 Sacks, 3 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 FR, 2 PD, 0 Int
Notes: None.

#16: Brian Burns, EDGE: 18 Tackles, 14 Solo, 4 TFL, 5.5 Sacks, 12 QB Hits, 1 FF, 1 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int, 1 TD
Notes: Had wrist surgery decreasing his snaps substantially after a hot start.

#17: Dexter Lawrence, IDL: 31 Tackles, 18 Solo, 2 TFL, 2.5 Sacks, 6 QB Hits, 1 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int
Notes: Has played some snaps as a DE despite being primarily a NT in college. Is also 342 lbs.

#19: Jeffery Simmons, IDL: 21 Tackles, 11 Solo, 2 TFL, 3.5 Sacks, 1 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int
Notes: Tore his ACL in February and missed first 6 games because of it.

#26: Montez Sweat, EDGE: 38 Tackles, 22 Solo, 5 TFL, 5.0 Sacks, 9 QB Hits, 1 FF, 0 FR, 2 PD, 0 Int
Notes: None.

#28: Jerry Tillery, IDL: 12 Tackles, 5 Solo, 1 TFL, 1.5 Sacks, 2 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int
Notes: Has only played over 50% of Defensive snaps once.

#29: L.J. Collier, EDGE: 2 Tackles, 2 Solo, 0 TFL, 0 Sacks, 0 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 0 Int
Notes: 4-3 Defensive End who sometimes plays inside according to draft profile. Missed 5 games, 2 of which were as a healthy scratch.

Other players are outperforming Gary so far but as was pointed out he is not playing a lot of downs. I personally had my eye on Oliver but he didn’t fall to the Packers. I was not sure about Sweat’s medical condition. He was a top 15 value and the 3rd best OLB on some boards who fell to #26 so there were a few teams who have a better vetting process than I do felt the same way.

I think it’s safe to say without the Smith “brothers” in front of him Gary would have had more opportunities and thus more production. A podcaster was saying his only move his to power rush the OT. He said he’s getting to the QB but he’s a step too late. If this is the case, once he develops another move or two he will be able to get to the QB a little quicker.

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gbguy20
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5 years ago

Thanks for sharing this.

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KRK
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5 years ago

WPR waxed:

I think it’s safe to say without the Smith “brothers” in front of him Gary would have had more opportunities and thus more production.

Perhaps....but Fackrell seems to get a lot more snaps that our first round pick. Thus far, unproductive and seemingly dinged up a large percentage of his plays...a disappointment IMO.

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gbguy20
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5 years ago

Obligatory fackrell had 10.5 sacks last year

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wpr
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5 years ago

Fackrell is not a rookie and thus has no bearing at this time.

beast
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5 years ago

Fackrell also is not in his rookie year... Fackrell got 160 defensive snaps as a rookie. Gary got to 160 defensive snaps two games ago and it's still not the end of the season....

Also Fackrell plays an opposite role than Gary would... they need to keep Fackrell more clean out of the power game, and can use him in coverage as he's an 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 OLB.... they need to keep Gary out of coverage and can use him in the power game, as he's an 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB.

Though, I am a bit disappointed, that they haven't figure out ways to get Z. Smith and Gary in at the same time on 3rd down and clear passing downs, one at 3 tech DT and one at the edge (or maybe they have, and I just haven't noticed)

KRK
Veteran Member

5 years ago

Sorry, I just don't buy the fact that a first round draft pick, and one who played multiple positions in college, can only play one position, in the pro's.

Given that he supposedly is a terrific athlete who runs a 4.58 40, he should be able to play multiple positions, including ILB or even with his hand on the ground inside, as he occasionally did in college.

If he is mentally incapable, as a full time football player, of only playing one role, then it was a horrific pick.

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buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

5 years ago

I get it.
Time to add Rashan Gary to the long list of 1st rnd busts since he hasn't started from day 1.

I just thought it was Ted Thompson who didn't know what he was doing.

I guess Gutekunst is as bad as Ted!

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KRK
Veteran Member

5 years ago

Not yet....Gutey is 3/4 with FA picks...Ted, not so much.

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beast
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5 years ago

#10

Originally Posted by: KRK

Who's arguing he can only play one position? HELL, I said the exact opposite! Saying Gary and Z could mix it up on the edge and at DT. Two different positions...

But if one were to think Gary and Fackrell are the exact same style of player and should be used the exact same way, then that doesn't know what they're talking about. To maximum their abilities need to be used in different ways.

If you're going to judge players solely on their 40 times then you're not going to look very smart, because if 40 times all it took, we could get Jeff Janis to play be a probowl ILBer for the Packers.

Gary is a great athlete FOR HIS SIZE... not a great athlete period... and that's mainly when he's going forward in a straight direction. Gary struggles to turn... which is why he'll struggle in ILB coverage.... and have you seen him try to back pedal? No because he's small DL sized.

Gary should never be asked to play half the game in a coverage role... where that can potential be Fackrell strength is that he can drop back into coverage just as well as he can come forward but Fackrell struggles in the power game, where that Gary does great in the power game.

Two extremely different players, that should not be schemes to be used in the same way on an every play plan (of course you might do it once in a while, trying to catch the other team off guard and try to confuses them).

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