ILikeThePackers39
16 years ago




Thank you. Pickett's been a rock - even last year while playing through a tough injury.

The Williams trade was almost universally lauded on the fan boards when it went down - nobody thought he was worth the money he wanted and I don't recall anything being said other than "good job". Now with hindsight, people are hopping back over the fence on that one. Weak.

The only piece of this that truly falls @ Thompson's feet is Harrel - it's pretty clear there was a lot of optimism in play about his health, where such optimism wasn't warranted.

"dd80forever" wrote:



ILike - It's not that people are hopping back over the fence on Williams. The mistake was that Ted Thompson thought Bustin could replace Williams. That's the mistake.

In the last 2 years we had Williams, he was the ONLY DT in the NFL who had 7.5+ sacks each year.

Now don't get me wrong, Williams was seen as one of those people who once he got the big paycheck, he'd think he wouldn't have to work any more. But we needed to replace him with someone who would be on the field. That's where the mistake was made.

Hopefully it will be corrected in '09.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




Well, I rather doubt he was counting on Harrell alone - I think he expected Jolly to take another step and for guys like Cole to also step up. To be fair, maybe he did think Harrell would be ready as well, but IMO he wasn't expecting Harrell to step in and rock.

All that said, obviously his expectations - be they for Harrell, Jolly or anyone else - were wrong. As it turns out, we did need Williams. But I don't believe anyone knew that at the time, and I remember no concerns being voiced; just "hey, that was a good deal."

In hindsight it was obviously a bad move - I'm certainly not disputing that, but at the time nobody thought so, or at least I don't recall seeing anything to that effect.

"zombieslayer" wrote:





I did voice concern over it. Williams got a huge deal, no doubt. Was he worth it, probably not. However, I knew the depth behind him was average and Harrell was a bust. I could have told you that on Draft Day.

The problem is we play this game with player's worth all the time. The bottom line is NONE of these guys deserve what they are paid. The market determines their value. If we sit back and say "overpaid" we run a dangerous game of having to consistently depend on young inexperienced role players.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




For the record, I very much agree with you - I don't know that I would have kept Williams (or Cole this year), but I do agree on the "over-spending" angle. It costs what it costs to compete in a league like the NFL, and I don't want an overly-frugal team any more than you do. It's all well and good to feel that teams are spending unwisely for players, but if you just refuse to do what it takes to field a winning team on principle, I'm not behind that.

My point (though I think you got it) was that other than a few folks (of which you might well have been a part; I don't remember well enough) the reaction on the boards to that trade was favorable. Many of the complaints being voiced now are coming from people who weren't opposed to it when it occurred.

Would I have kept Williams? No. That part of the deal I was behind and still am. Where it obviously went south on Thompson was that he over-relied on guys like Jolly (understandable; he'd had a very favorable swing in performance in 07) and Harrell (at this point I don't personally understand WHY he felt the kid would produce) to pick up Williams' production. Oops.
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