Cheesey
5 years ago
My cap hit is 7.
That’s how many caps I own!😂

And Zero doesn’t lie!
(Except in bed!)😂
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beast
5 years ago

For the 2018 season Jimmy Graham counted ~$6 against the salary cap. Multiple sources agree with this statement. Why? Because is it not a lie. It is not an argument. It is a fact. Check Spotrac. Check OverTheCap.

If you don't want to trust me, so be it, but other sources support the statement I made that you cowardly called a lie.


Now does that mean the Packers ONLY paid Graham $5.9 million in 2018? I don't care enough to research that, but what I do know is what counted against the salary cap and that is what my statement was predicated on. It was not a lie. It was not an argument.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yes he only counted that much against the cap... but the suggestion that his 2018 only cost that much is a lie (the accounting system is lying, not you).

It's not hard to research, as you yourself said, check Spotrac... they do all the math for you.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/jimmy-graham-6603/ 
Check out the very right column...

2018: $13,250,000 ... that's the real cost of having Graham on the team in 2018.


The cap suggest that Graham's costs are
2019: $12,666,666
2020: $11,666,668

The actual costs are
2019: $9,000,000
2020: $8,000,000


It's not really any harder to research, it's easy as checking the single players cap on spotrac... and it allows for actual cost evaluations.
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earthquake
5 years ago

Yes he only counted that much against the cap... but the suggestion that his 2018 only cost that much is a lie (the accounting system is lying, not you).

Originally Posted by: beast 



It's a strawman. Nobody has suggested that.

Kevin made a slightly vague post, and then followed up clarifying that he meant salary cap hit. After which you've made numerous responses lecturing him and anyone who would listen about raw cash values, which no one but you has brought up.

You've clearly got some axe to grind with how the salary cap system is structured. Here's a suggestion: write an angry letter to the NFL, and stop taking it out on people here.
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5 years ago
To sum it all up...Graham is not worth either 9-12 this year or 8-11 next year, and the sooner we can accrue any benefit from cutting him we should.
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beast
5 years ago

It's a strawman. Nobody has suggested that.

Kevin made a slightly vague post, and then followed up clarifying that he meant salary cap hit. After which you've made numerous responses lecturing him and anyone who would listen about raw cash values, which no one but you has brought up.

You've clearly got some axe to grind with how the salary cap system is structured. Here's a suggestion: write an angry letter to the NFL, and stop taking it out on people here.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



I have no problem with the cap system in how it's used, it's a quite simple and effective system for the needs of the league. But one has to realize it manipulates numbers to average things out for the shake of spreading out signing bonuses.

My axe to grind is the NFL's over-simplification failures, in many of their processes, and the failure of the media and others in picking up on the over-simplifications. From a wide range of things...

From one of ESPN NFC North writers saying there is no way Raji could play DE because Kevin Williams couldn't do it... when in reality Williams was attempted at 4-3 DE... and Raji was attempted as a 3-4 DE... they're both over-simplified to be called DE (and the writer stupidly went with it, I'm guessing cus he doesn't know better) but they're very two different positions as one is on the inside DL and one is edge rusher.

To the probowl stupidly putting all the DE and LB against each other, which of course the edge rushers always win (4-3 DE and 3-4 OLBers)...

To almost all 32 teams (if not all) having a 3-4 or 4-3 depth chart when in reality, all 32 teams run "base defense" less than 20% of the time, and nickel is usually on the field the most.

To having a FB on the all-pro list instead of a 3rd WR / 2nd TE or some sorta flex position (which I think they might of corrected), when teams barely use FBs anymore.

As far as the salary cap, the media fails to recognize that the accounting system is not the cash money... and just run with it, that it's the end all and be all... and falsely say things like the Packers got Graham and another player for releasing Nelson's contract... when in reality, Grahams got more/cost more in 2018 than Nelson did... so Graham actually took more than Nelson's contract. That's a misrepresentation, and lots of innocent people are believing this misrepresentation...

Again, the salary cap is a GREAT system for what the NFL is using it for! But the media needs to realize that they're misrepresenting it as the deciding factor... as cash is the deciding factor in decisions, not the accounting of said cash. Yes they have to be under a certain amount... but as they did with Favre's contract multiple times under Sherman, any team can fairly easily manipulate what year the cap space is in (within 5 years time frame).

So I got no problem with the system, just the misrepresentation of the media reporting on it.

And also I think it's fair to say that Nelson might of done more for the Packers in 2018 than either Graham or Cobb actually did...


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