KRK
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5 years ago
This is a really interesting thread with some great perspectives.

I think the most interesting is that if we had been 3-4 games better, we would still be with the old regime. For that reason alone I am glad it didn't happen.

Its like when I was hot on this girl Trixie Laroux....I would have liked to........but she turned down my overtures.... it didn't happen, even though I wanted it to.....and now I have a wonderful wife.

As BPF banged out:

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you didn't make!

even if you wanted to make them.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
TheKanataThrilla
5 years ago
If Mack is on the Packers chances are Aaron doesn't get hurt. Healthy Aaron and the whole season is probably different.

Then again, the way the season went down helped make the coaching changes we should have made a couple of years ago.
beast
5 years ago

If Mack is on the Packers chances are Aaron doesn't get hurt. Healthy Aaron and the whole season is probably different.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 

I honestly think Rodgers injury as the cause of the struggled season is being overblown, the guy looked like his normal great self at times early on when he had veteran WRs to work with and that was right after the injury.


Rodgers sucked more, not around the injury time, but when he had to play with the rookie WRs whom he wasn't on the same mental page as and didn't seem to trust half as much, as Rodgers (especially in the Seahawks game) almost refusing to throw it to the RB unless it was a design play to get the running back open (cus the Seahawks didn't even pretend to cover the RBs if they didn't go so far down the field, and left them wide open cus they knew Rodgers wasn't looking there).

MM didn't use designed plays to get guys open, so it was all up to Rodgers and his chemistry and trust with guys, and Rodgers struggled to take any chances with the rookies, instead deciding to hold onto the ball even longer looking for something better.



Which is one thing Rodgers has to get better at, as this new system will have a lot of designed plays to go to specific areas or passing to the RB instead of scanning the entire field looking for the best down field matchups. So Rodgers might actually have to take the ball out of his hands more often and trust others for the greater good of the system.
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warhawk
5 years ago
I agree that the Packers probably win a couple more games with Mack last year. I was not in favor of this move because this team was not one player away from being a contender. There were multiple holes to fill in the starting lineup and lacking depth at several positions.
Mathews and Perry were killing us with what they were being paid, we had no safeties, and the Oline was very thin at both G spots and swing T. These areas have been addressed in FA along with talent in the draft that probably wouldn't be on this team had they won a couple three more games.

Put it this way I don't think Pettine is crying over the fact he has the Smith's and Gary to work with and not Mack. I wonder if Savage would be on this team had they gotten Mack and won a few more games.

I just see this team winning more games this year and years to come the way it's trending with no Mack in the picture. Admittedly, I am not big on mortgaging high draft picks and particularly at this juncture with where the team stood talent wise. It robs a team of depth and potential. I get it with the Bears and Trubisky still on a rookie contract. Thanks but no thanks.


"The train is leaving the station."
Zero2Cool
5 years ago
What games would Mack have tilted in our favor? The Vikings game?
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sschind
5 years ago

What games would Mack have tilted in our favor? The Vikings game?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




What games would he have tilted in our favor? Its difficult if not impossible to say. What games could he have tilted in our favor? Who knows, maybe all of them. A sack, a strip sack, a fumble recovery an extra pressure here or there all could make a big difference. Especially if they happen on a drive that resulted in an eventual TD for the opposing team. They may have recovered or they may not have. There is simply no way to know which games may have ended differently if we had Mack. Who knows, we may have even lost more.

Zero2Cool
5 years ago

What games would he have tilted in our favor? Its difficult if not impossible to say. What games could he have tilted in our favor? Who knows, maybe all of them. A sack, a strip sack, a fumble recovery an extra pressure here or there all could make a big difference. Especially if they happen on a drive that resulted in an eventual TD for the opposing team. They may have recovered or they may not have. There is simply no way to know which games may have ended differently if we had Mack. Who knows, we may have even lost more.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I guess I can't really remember a game last season where I thought dang if our defense was just a little better on the pass rush we'd have won. I felt the offense was big issue.
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wpr
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5 years ago

I guess I can't really remember a game last season where I thought dang if our defense was just a little better on the pass rush we'd have won. I felt the offense was big issue.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



If for no other reason, Aaron wouldn't have faced such a tenacious pass rush in week 1. He wouldn't have been hindered with an injury and would in all probability been more effective all year.
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago
I don't think Mack would have put us over the edge. We couldn't even make the playoffs without him. Now if we got to the 2nd round of the playoffs, I'd be thinking ya on to something.

We were far more than a Mack from being contenders.
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wpr
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5 years ago

I don't think Mack would have put us over the edge. We couldn't even make the playoffs without him. Now if we got to the 2nd round of the playoffs, I'd be thinking ya on to something.

We were far more than a Mack from being contenders.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Absolutely. My only contention is that GB MIGHT have had a better record than the bares. But it is all conjecture. You know, the stuff that makes up 90% of the internet discussion boards. My original comment was more than likely GB would not be 6 games better but they might have been 3 games better (9-6-1) and da bares 3 games worse (9-7). It wouldn't have all been because of Mack. A healthier Rodgers would have been a factor as well.

Would I have wanted Gute to make the deal Chicago did and give away so much? No. But that is another issue for another thread. And this site does have space for a few more threads.

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