Pack93z
5 years ago
And KRK... this is the type of conversation that should be held on this type of topic.. a discussion.

Appreciate that.

Good day!


BTW.. going to try and truly read volume II here over the next week or two.... got a bit left on VI.

But I will repeat.. it is eye opening to actually see that depth of scum surrounding politics as a whole in this report.

Worse yet... as a society, we allow it. Accept it. Some even embrace it... blindly or knowingly.

Will we recover from it as a nation?
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KRK
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5 years ago
Pack93z opined:

I hardly think any of that indicate the origin of the probe was a setup, if anything, it was things that the campaign should have known about these players they hired into the campaign.


P,
I think this point is central to the discussion, and one we seem to fundamentally disagree.

Of course the was a set-up. if it had been a true counter-intelligence exercise, Trump would have been informed of potential spies, Russia influence on his staff.....just like Diane Feinstein was informed that someone on her staff may have been a Chinese spy. But nope, WE GOTTA GET TRUMP, so we aren’t telling him.

When one examines all of the publicly available evidence in conjunction with the report, it is highly likely that this was a set up. It seems, Mifsud, Halper and others, on the dole of the FBI and CIA., set up bit players, and, in conjunction with the Clinton financed Dossier, used here-say they had planted to get FISA warrants to spy. You will note how the Report does not really go into the genesis (I.E. The predicate) of the FISA warrants....because IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THE GUYS WHO, I BELIEVE, STARTED IT....Brennan, Clapper, and Mueller best buddy Comey, as well as many others including BHO.

But remember, this was supposed to be part of th PRE-ELECTION buzz. They never thought ithe details of this would ever come to light...everyone thought Clinton would win and all this would be swept under the rug.

Further, I believe it will come out that the spying took place well before the time frame being bandied about in reports.

Now that the Report has been completed, Horowitz will be able to interview those parties who had been unavailable while the report was pending (another reason Mueller sat on it)

I fully expect another special council, one who will get to the bottom of the genesis of the cabal and the leaks....Comey, Clapper, and Brennan better lawyer up.
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Pack93z
5 years ago
Why would you inform Trump, especially when one of the prompting actions was caused by Trump publicly asking and then receiving the emails?

Couple that with the hires of Page and the loose lips of Coffee Boy. Trumps ties to Russia.. etc.

Could the question that he might be involved not a legitimate?

Even the most neutral observer would question that.. I certainly would.

I have no quarry with going after Clinton for their part in the Fusion GPS mess.. but that should also include Singer and Rubio.

But my other issue here is Barr... his appointing of a Special Counsel is an issue. Barr has played his hand out there... expecting neutrality from him based on his letter and presser is a stretch at best.

One thing I will agree with you upon... go after them all, look at everyone's actions and hold them accountable. Regardless of the Letter prefixed to their name. That includes holding this current administration accountable.

My query... who can we trust to hold anyone accountable?



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5 years ago
Pack93 posted

Why would you inform Trump, especially when one of the prompting actions was caused by Trump publicly asking and then receiving the emails?

Seriously? When viewed in the context of the reporing at the time (the missing/destroyed 33,000 emails) he was clearly tongue-in-cheek.

Trumps ties to Russia.. etc.

The man does business all over the world...so what?

Regarding Hillary...Actually I can’t stand HC. she has sold out our country, lies, ad nauseam. Yet in this case, its not her problem. She was playing dirty, but politics is dirty.

Its the Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Stroyk (sp?), et al, the guys IN GOVERNMENT who used the power of the government to go after a political opponent...like Obama used the IRS.

But my other issue here is Barr... his appointing of a Special Counsel is an issue

Why? Its his job. He is the head of law enforcement in the US. And do think Mueller and his team were neutral?!?! If so, do a little research on Andrew Weismann, and that crew. Barr didn’t have to release the report. Whats the problem?

One thing I will agree with you upon... go after them all, look at everyone's actions and hold them accountable. Regardless of the Letter prefixed to their name. That includes holding this current administration accountable.

AMEN AND AMEN. THIS IS ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW, not about party.

My query... who can we trust to hold anyone accountable?

Get a great constitutional lawyer and experienced prosecutor, Joe DiGenova.
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Pack93z
5 years ago

Pack93 posted Seriously? When viewed in the context of the reporing at the time (the missing/destroyed 33,000 emails) he was clearly tongue-in-cheek.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Yes, he prefixed that "tongue and cheek" moment that there was big news coming on the Clinton campaign. I use his own words/tweets/actions as a judge of this man.

No, I don't buy it. Not for a second.

But the comment on its face alone, maybe, as I cannot judge his mindset at the time. But he announced something big coming... then amazingly doesn't mention it again after the Wiki drop.

The other problem I cannot get over with Trump, the ease in which he will lie or contradict even himself publicly and openly.

I stated it before the 2016 election... there wasn't a decent choice for president. One will openly rip this country off and apart. The other would try her best to hide it while doing the same thing. Still think that way.

Haven't changed that opinion... couldn't vote for either.

I have zero faith in Trump... none. But that is like most politicians.
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5 years ago
I have enjoyed your point/counterpoint discussion KRK and Pack93Z. What a wonderful world it would be if the rest of society followed your example.

That said I can't help but think about Formo and what he would add to the discussion so I am doing it for him.

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We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatable things, called by the same name—liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatable names—liberty and tyranny....Abe
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