Rockmolder
5 years ago

If you're at 12, and you have six guys you want and someone offers you a 2nd rounder to move back 3-4 spots, you take that 2nd rounder. That's the thinking I'd have. If there's a chance the player i really want won't be there where I'm gonna have my next pick, heck no.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I fully agree. Trading down is such a situational thing, that it's hard to say anything sensible about it.

In theory, I'd like to say staying at 12 would be best. We don't pick that high up in the draft all that often and going for quality of quantity feels like the right move to make.

That said, the way the draft might pan out makes it pretty easy to make a case for trading down. There's 2 guys who won't make it out of the top 4 in Bosa and Williams and another 4 who won't make it to 12 in Allen, Taylor, White and Gary. Add to that the 2 QBs who will most likely be gone in the top 10 and all the elite talent (at valuable positions and without red flags) is gone by pick 8, 9 or 10.

There's a huge cluster of players who are pretty even in terms of talent behind that. A lot of those players could go anywhere from 10 to 25. Thinking about the 3 first round wide receivers, for instance. It's down to if you like Metcalf's athletic ability, Brown's production or Campbell who's between the two in terms of potential/production. They'll most likely go in the order I mentioned them, but I would be fine with either of those 3.

Looking at it like that, you might as well drop down to 15 and get an extra 3rd from Washington, because they want to take a QB or drop down even further and get an extra second. That way drafting a guard with our first pick would become a more realistic option, as well, making KRK the happiest man on the planet.

What I find really exciting (but hoping won't happen) is that Gute has shown some real aggressiveness. If that translates into this draft, as well, he could do something crazy like trade up for Devin White. I wouldn't be that big a fan, because it'd cost us our two 1sts, but he'd really be the cherry on top in regards to the overhaul of our defense this year.
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5 years ago

Thinking about the 3 first round wide receivers, for instance. It's down to if you like Metcalf's athletic ability, Brown's production or Campbell who's between the two in terms of potential/production. They'll most likely go in the order I mentioned them, but I would be fine with either of those 3.

Looking at it like that, you might as well drop down to 15 and get an extra 3rd from Washington, because they want to take a QB or drop down even further and get an extra second. That way drafting a guard with our first pick would become a more realistic option, as well, making KRK the happiest man on the planet.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



I agree with your outlook on the WR but wonder what you think about Brown's size. I think he's only 5-9 and 166 pounds. (up 6 pounds from earlier reports.) That's about what I was in high school. I know he's fast and strong. no one would have ever thought I could play at the lowest levels of collegiate football so I am not really trying to compare myself to him. I don't think he can put on very much weight and still have his elite speed. Then again as the season wears on it would be easy to see him losing weight as the grind of the season takes it's toll. I can see him getting the kick return duties for whatever team signs him. He just seems like an injury waiting to happen.

Grute IS aggressive. What if he trades back for another 3rd the packages the 3rds and moves back into the 2nd? THAT would be Grute-like.

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Rockmolder
5 years ago

I agree with your outlook on the WR but wonder what you think about Brown's size. I think he's only 5-9 and 166 pounds. (up 6 pounds from earlier reports.) That's about what I was in high school. I know he's fast and strong. no one would have ever thought I could play at the lowest levels of collegiate football so I am not really trying to compare myself to him. I don't think he can put on very much weight and still have his elite speed. Then again as the season wears on it would be easy to see him losing weight as the grind of the season takes it's toll. I can see him getting the kick return duties for whatever team signs him. He just seems like an injury waiting to happen.

Grute IS aggressive. What if he trades back for another 3rd the packages the 3rds and moves back into the 2nd? THAT would be Grute-like.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I feel like he's extremely light, but that he has two big things going for him.

Firstly, there's proof that there's a place for undersized, explosive guys in today's NFL. DeSean Jackson and Tyreek Hill come to mind, instantly. DeSean plays at 5'10, 175 and Tyreek at 5'10, 185. Both a bit taller and heavier, but DeSeaon came into the league at 169. There's some room left on Brown's frame to put on a bit of muscle, as well. I think that's the main reason he's consistently slotted towards the back of the 1st round. If he had Tyreek's height and weight, he'd be gone by 15.

Secondly, he'd really be an addition to our roster. Adams is a slow possesion guy, Allison is a slow possesion guy, Moore is a slow possesion guy and MVS and St. Brown both have some speed, but they're long striders who have to get into top gear. He'd be the perfect complement to our group of receivers. Someone who can take a screen to the house, but also take the top off of a defense on a double move.

That doesn't take away the concerns you mentioned, though. It's just that those concerns are the reason he could still be around at 30 and, stacked up against other potential players still there, I'd take that chance.
nerdmann
5 years ago

I feel like he's extremely light, but that he has two big things going for him.

Firstly, there's proof that there's a place for undersized, explosive guys in today's NFL. DeSean Jackson and Tyreek Hill come to mind, instantly. DeSean plays at 5'10, 175 and Tyreek at 5'10, 185. Both a bit taller and heavier, but DeSeaon came into the league at 169. There's some room left on Brown's frame to put on a bit of muscle, as well. I think that's the main reason he's consistently slotted towards the back of the 1st round. If he had Tyreek's height and weight, he'd be gone by 15.

Secondly, he'd really be an addition to our roster. Adams is a slow possesion guy, Allison is a slow possesion guy, Moore is a slow possesion guy and MVS and St. Brown both have some speed, but they're long striders who have to get into top gear. He'd be the perfect complement to our group of receivers. Someone who can take a screen to the house, but also take the top off of a defense on a double move.

That doesn't take away the concerns you mentioned, though. It's just that those concerns are the reason he could still be around at 30 and, stacked up against other potential players still there, I'd take that chance.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



I look at Davante as a short area quickness guy. Jmon too. They can get open over the middle.

However the fact remains these "smaller, quicker" jitterbug guys are in vogue right now, particularly in this new Shannahan type offense we will be running.

Aaron Jones is probably 5' 9" in heels. He's already gonna be highlighted. Then again, can he stay healthy?


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I'm terrified that we draft white. Very risky pick
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Nonstopdrivel
5 years ago

Aaron Jones is probably 5' 9" in heels.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


What makes you say that? He's listed at 5'10'' officially.
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I feel like he's extremely light, but that he has two big things going for him.

Firstly, there's proof that there's a place for undersized, explosive guys in today's NFL. DeSean Jackson and Tyreek Hill come to mind, instantly. DeSean plays at 5'10, 175 and Tyreek at 5'10, 185. Both a bit taller and heavier, but DeSeaon came into the league at 169. There's some room left on Brown's frame to put on a bit of muscle, as well. I think that's the main reason he's consistently slotted towards the back of the 1st round. If he had Tyreek's height and weight, he'd be gone by 15.

Secondly, he'd really be an addition to our roster. Adams is a slow possesion guy, Allison is a slow possesion guy, Moore is a slow possesion guy and MVS and St. Brown both have some speed, but they're long striders who have to get into top gear. He'd be the perfect complement to our group of receivers. Someone who can take a screen to the house, but also take the top off of a defense on a double move.

That doesn't take away the concerns you mentioned, though. It's just that those concerns are the reason he could still be around at 30 and, stacked up against other potential players still there, I'd take that chance.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Thanks Rocky. You know I value your assessments of players. I realize he has speed and skill. I am mainly concerned his size. NFL players take a lot of more of a beating than college kids do. Week end and week out there are no gaps in the schedule. There are no games against FCS or weak conference teams. I wonder if he is going to be injured. The difference between 166 and 185 can be huge when taking a hit from a safety.

Nerd- I didn't say all players need to be over 6' in order to succeed.

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