warhawk
6 years ago

From rumors (which I have NO IDEA if true or complete BS), Matthews has strongly attempted to lead many times... but it's come off wrong... like he's trying too hard, forcing it and it makes him seem like a jerk and it's not natural smooth leadership. I can't confirm that, but I do remember "Matthews leadership" got brought up to Sam Shields and his body language negatively SCREAMED... but he gave some politically correct answer... but my interpretation was that (at minimum) "Matthews' leadership" gets on his nerves.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Mathews is no leader. His game is making a couple of splash plays a game. Maybe a sack and few QB hurries and he's happy even if the rest of the time he was marginal or maybe even poor. I think of a defensive leader and see an ILB who is out there thumping away and spurning his teammates on inspiring them to be better.
Devin White of LSU is that kind of player. He has All-Pro written all over him and it wouldn't take long for him to establish himself as the leader of the D for years. He and Martinez would make one of the very best ILB tandems in the NFL and it would be immediate. No waiting a year or two to develop.
I want that kind of guy at #12.

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6 years ago
Which bring us to the real question...In sports, how does one define leadership from player, or what makes a great leader? And for this thread, does Rodgers exhibit those characteristics.

From what I am reading, many of us think leadership is running up and down the sidelines in a game "firing up the troops." While that may occasionally be called for, many of the most important leadership qualities are exhibited in practice and in meetings, specifically dedicating yourself to learning your job, and acting as an example to (and urging) others to work hard and stay focused on preparing...doing things that aren't on camera.

Athletes can not effectively lead when they either (i) don't exhibit the discipline in practice, or (ii) when they don't execute what they were supposed to be doing in the games. Beast pointed out

... I do remember "Matthews leadership" got brought up to Sam Shields and his body language negatively SCREAMED

I would suggest that Shields would have rolled his eyes when CMIII ran up and down the sidelines yelling, "c'mon fellas, let's stop em here." Shields was probably thinking, "if you set an edge and contained once in a while, I wouldn't have scrambled brains from being the first line of defense on running plays....FIRST DO YOUR JOB, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE THE MORAL AUTHORITY TO LEAD

I am reminded of a story about Ditka when he was in college. At halftime, a senior safety said something to the effect of, "cmon guys we are only down seven points." To which freshmen Ditka replied, "if you did your job, we wouldn't be down seven." A hardworking leader was revealed.

One of the best sports leader was Michael Jordan. He absolutely busted his ass (and everyone else') in practice. I can't recall him as a "rah-rah" in his career. Quite frankly, I think a lot of that stuff is for show, i.e. the camera.

I honestly don't know if Rodgers urges others to bust ass in practice, in meetings or breaking down game film in study with teammates. I hope he does, but if not, its a good time to start. However, to lead effectively one has to make the most of one's abilities and opportunities...and I believe he works very hard at his craft and as NYRPACK pointed out, even when he isn't at his best, he is damn good.

Further, during games, I don't know if it was his job (or place) to talk with receivers. I would think the OC or receivers coach would be doing that. I personally would like to see more of that, but I don't what the protocol was. I hope in the future it is encouraged.

So just because we don't see the "rah-rah" stuff, that doesn't mean he isn't a good or great leader
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beast
6 years ago

I think Rodgers has shown some leadership qualities (I believe new players have committed how as soon as they walk in the door, Rodgers comes up to them shakes their hand, knows their name and a bit about their background from day 1 welcoming them and making them feel like at home, having a normal convo, not, hey you're the new guy right)

Originally Posted by: beast 

[James] Harrison said on FS1 that he was impressed not only with the way he was welcomed by Brady, but by the way Brady treated every teammate, whether a star player or an undrafted rookie or a member of the practice squad.

“Believe me, I wanted to, like, hate this dude with a passion,” Harrison said. “I get there and I’m like, ‘Dude, he’s the ultimate teammate.’”

profootballtalk  wrote:



What Harrison is talking about, sounds like what I was trying to say with Rodgers treating everyone the same and welcoming them.
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gbguy20
6 years ago
I don't remember players saying that about Rodgers. Not saying they haven't and he doesn't do that. Just wondering if you can link me to where you read, as I am curious to read it as well? Thanks
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

What Harrison is talking about, sounds like what I was trying to say with Rodgers treating everyone the same and welcoming them.

Originally Posted by: beast 



This is true. The issue is Rodgers is known to be sensitive, so what happens? The camera's hit on him hard and focus on the negative, why? Because it's what people will talk about. Look at Big Ben and the stuff he says on his radio show! He repeatedly talks his teammates down. He's far worse than Aaron, but we don't hear a peep about it because no one is heralding him as 'best ever' and he doesn't have the chip on shoulder reputation or that of being sensitive.

You can talk about demeanor too, but again, the reputation doesn't follow the likes of Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, who were far worse than Rodgers on-field demeanor but yet barely much is said about them.


Also, Rodgers goes out of his way to take care of his OL.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/12077470/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-buys-linemen-backup-quarterbacks-tvs-tablets-headphones 

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/24/aaron-rodgers-bought-packers-linemen-personalized-atvs-for-christmas/ 

https://www.12up.com/posts/6255945-video-aaron-rodgers-gets-offensive-line-louis-vuitton-and-more-for-christmas 


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