gbguy20
6 years ago
The line gets better the more it gets asked to do something as well. The stats you ask will tell you that the packers almost never run on 3rd and short or on 3rd down at all. In before you say they don't do it because they suck at it. One, you don't know that. And two, IF they do suck at it, maybe it is because they never do it.
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6 years ago
From and since the NFC Championship against SEA, we have sucked at it. I know that because I observe it

If it makes you feel better, in my idle moments, I will attempt to back up my assertion with evidence.
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6 years ago
Well that didn’t take long

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/11/23/examining-green-bay-packers-issues-third-down-and-possible-solution/2082749002/ 

But, the team has gotten worse at converting on third and short as the weeks have gone on.

In games 1-4, they converted 67 percent of their third downs needing six or fewer yards. In games 5-8, 52 percent. The last two weeks? Just 36 percent of the time they have converted.

“When you evaluate each and every week, it comes down to the obvious,” McCarthy said. “You just have to execute better.”

And this is where the personnel issues have been spotlighted.
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gbguy20
6 years ago
We were talking about running the ball but thanks
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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
How many of those failed third-down conversions were on account of Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball into the dirt or failing to look for in the direction of a wide-open running back or tossing the ball out of bounds?
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beast
6 years ago

He has an offensive scheme that would tie the franchise together.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Again, you have shown absolutely nothing other than your willing to spin in circles to praise Edgar Bennett, without giving anything other verbal spin.

First, you say he's different, then you say he's continual the same... you're making him out to be Goldilocks more than an actual NFL coach.

You said he was being groomed and then got scrap goated, which I don't think you can prove especially since he wasn't scape goated, just asked to take a demotion... which is not the same thing, they wanted to keep Bennett, just didn't think he was the best fit for OC.

Your saying he's ready to take responsibility for his actions as head coach and then your the one using scape goats as to why he shouldn't be held responsible... you are talking in complete circles and not making any sense.

He ignored your question because he has no idea. His comments are based on nothing aside from his belief that he has no evidence for. He just decided it one day and keeps bringing it up as if its fact.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 


That seem to be the case as he's taking both side of the same issue and just being pro-Bennett with it and using Mike McCarthy as a scape goat.
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nerdmann
6 years ago

Again, you have shown absolutely nothing other than your willing to spin in circles to praise Edgar Bennett, without giving anything other verbal spin.

First, you say he's different, then you say he's continual the same... you're making him out to be Goldilocks more than an actual NFL coach.

You said he was being groomed and then got scrap goated, which I don't think you can prove especially since he wasn't scape goated, just asked to take a demotion... which is not the same thing, they wanted to keep Bennett, just didn't think he was the best fit for OC.

Your saying he's ready to take responsibility for his actions as head coach and then your the one using scape goats as to why he shouldn't be held responsible... you are talking in complete circles and not making any sense.


That seem to be the case as he's taking both side of the same issue and just being pro-Bennett with it and using Mike McCarthy as a scape goat.

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You're arguing my point, if you say he was merely "demoted."

Again, I'm not saying he is both different and the same. Go back and read what I said. He KNOWS the team. He would not require a rebuild. Then again, maybe he would want to shitcan everybody and start over, dunno.

Aaron Rodgers is still here. THAT is the same. Mike McCarthy is gone. THAT is different. My hypothesis is that Aaron Rodgers wants to "do his thing." Mike McCarthy is no longer "standing in his way" of winning championships. He does not want to bring someone in who will change the system and requite 2-3 years to turn personell over to fit a new system. Bennett fits that bill. He knows the team. He knows the system.

It's not a question of Bennett CHANGING anything. The impediment (Mike McCarthy) has been removed. The change has already taken place. Now do you just let Aaron go out there and win championships, or do you bring someone in that will ALSO impede Aaron for the next couple years while they retool?

Hopefully Mark Murphy is not on board with the view that Aaron just needed to be "unleashed" from Mike McCarthy. However I fear that he may share that perspective. I disagree with that perspective. However I believe it is one that is held to at least some degree by management.

Traditionally, I like Bennett because he was an old school WCO guy, with all those old traps, screens, the "enema draw," all those old school running and short, high percentage passing type plays. So yeah, Edgar was removed. How did THAT work out?

Again, I'm not arguing that they are both the same and different. I'm not saying they want continuity and don't want continuity. I'm saying they might not want to retool. I can type it slower and slower every time if you want.
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beast
6 years ago

You're arguing my point, if you say he was merely "demoted."

Again, I'm not saying he is both different and the same. Go back and read what I said. He KNOWS the team. He would not require a rebuild. Then again, maybe he would want to shitcan everybody and start over, dunno.

Aaron Rodgers is still here. THAT is the same. Mike McCarthy is gone. THAT is different. My hypothesis is that Aaron Rodgers wants to "do his thing." Mike McCarthy is no longer "standing in his way" of winning championships. He does not want to bring someone in who will change the system and requite 2-3 years to turn personell over to fit a new system. Bennett fits that bill. He knows the team. He knows the system.

It's not a question of Bennett CHANGING anything. The impediment (Mike McCarthy) has been removed. The change has already taken place. Now do you just let Aaron go out there and win championships, or do you bring someone in that will ALSO impede Aaron for the next couple years while they retool?

Hopefully Mark Murphy is not on board with the view that Aaron just needed to be "unleashed" from Mike McCarthy. However I fear that he may share that perspective. I disagree with that perspective. However I believe it is one that is held to at least some degree by management.

Traditionally, I like Bennett because he was an old school WCO guy, with all those old traps, screens, the "enema draw," all those old school running and short, high percentage passing type plays. So yeah, Edgar was removed. How did THAT work out?

Again, I'm not arguing that they are both the same and different. I'm not saying they want continuity and don't want continuity. I'm saying they might not want to retool. I can type it slower and slower every time if you want.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


I have reread and your still talking out of your ass... Bennett wouldn't need a rebuild and every other coach would is complete biased talking. Because your saying Bennett would run a different scheme but not have to rebuild.

You're just in love with the old school west coast offense and think Bennett will run your system... That cool and fine.

But that doesn't mean Bennett is freaking perfect and there is McCarthy conspiracies to hold him back, that's just ridiculous. Also the fact that no body is really running the old school west coast system as it has evolved into new school west coast system... this would be like Al Davis trying to run 80s football in the 2000s.


Weather to retool or not, if you haven't noticed Gute started the process last year and the retooling and the coaches/Rodgers bad reaction to working with the new tools is what lead to the shity offense, but that should have been expected when running a chemistry system that is based in second/third reactions and working with a whole lot of new guys who are still learning the first reaction.... also getting rid of the guy with the best QB chemistry.

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6 years ago

The average adult in the US has one nut and one boob. so averages a can be deceiving.

What is the average on run plays on 3rd and less than 4. Or more important, what percentage of the time do we run on 3rd and less than 4 and make it.

I will bet a shiney new dime it is far less than league average.

Spreading formations out and gaining 7 yards on second and 10 is great, but we have been inept in the run game in critical/ goal line situations FOR YEARS!!!

And it starts up front

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Even my wife laughed. Unfortunately way too many men have boobs.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

How many of those failed third-down conversions were on account of Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball into the dirt or failing to look for in the direction of a wide-open running back or tossing the ball out of bounds?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Unfortunately, we will never know because even if Aaron's facemask is aimed one direction, he could be trying to look a Safety off and looking the other way.
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