gbguy20
6 years ago

3rd & 3 at SEA 29
(11:00 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Jones.
3rd & 2 at GB 43
(3:59 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers scrambles left end pushed ob at GB 46 for 3 yards (B.Wagner).
3rd & 5 at GB 31
(0:46 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to E.St. Brown.
3rd & 4 at GB 27
(5:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 23 for -4 yards (F.Clark).
rd & 4 at GB 31
3rd & 4 at GB 31
(13:58 - 3rd) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Adams to GB 49 for 18 yards (T.Flowers). Penalty on SEA, Defensive Too Many Men on Field, declined.
3rd & 3 at SEA 43
(4:31 - 3rd) A.Rodgers sacked at SEA 49 for -6 yards (sack split by A.Calitro and J.Reed).
3rd & 5 at SEA 12
(9:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at SEA 18 for -6 yards (R.Green).
3rd & 2 at GB 33
(4:23 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to M.Valdes-Scantling.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Unfortunately, I was hoping I was wrong. Thanks for putting in the leg work and confirming it. Unbelievable.
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sschind
6 years ago

3rd & 3 at SEA 29
(11:00 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Jones.
3rd & 2 at GB 43
(3:59 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers scrambles left end pushed ob at GB 46 for 3 yards (B.Wagner).
3rd & 5 at GB 31
(0:46 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to E.St. Brown.
3rd & 4 at GB 27
(5:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 23 for -4 yards (F.Clark).
rd & 4 at GB 31
3rd & 4 at GB 31
(13:58 - 3rd) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Adams to GB 49 for 18 yards (T.Flowers). Penalty on SEA, Defensive Too Many Men on Field, declined.
3rd & 3 at SEA 43
(4:31 - 3rd) A.Rodgers sacked at SEA 49 for -6 yards (sack split by A.Calitro and J.Reed).
3rd & 5 at SEA 12
(9:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at SEA 18 for -6 yards (R.Green).
3rd & 2 at GB 33
(4:23 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to M.Valdes-Scantling.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



First off let me say that I agree it is ridiculous that AJ only got 11 carries. He needs the ball in his hands more often especially in a close game. If we are down by 3 scores I can understand but we were leading in this game several times.

Second, what are these stats supposed to show? If it is anything other than we didn't run the ball on 3rd and short they may not tell the whole story. All they tell us is that we didn't run the ball on third and short. They don't tell us anything about the play that was called.

I Mike McCarthy calls a run Aaron Rodgers can change it to a pass. If Mike McCarthy calls a pass Aaron Rodgers can change it to a run. So unless someone tells us that Aaron Rodgers ran the plays that were called you can't necessarily blame them on MM.
Aaron Rodgers has said we need to get AJ more involved. If he was serious he could have changed some of these calls (assuming they were all called passes) to runs.

How many of those plays (assuming they were called passes) did Aaron Rodgers pass up an open man apparently looking for a deep shot? I don't care if we don't run the ball at all if the passes work. All that matters to me is that we move the ball and score. If Rodgers throws the ball to a wide open Jones on that 3rd and 5 at the Seattle 12 instead of passing him up and taking the sack we probably score a TD on that drive rather than a FG. That brings up another point of getting Jones involved one way or the other. If you don't hand the ball to him at least throw it to him but that is off on a tangent.

I'm not saying any of this in defense of Mike McCarthy and if he in fact called all these pass plays then yes, he is an idiot. On the other hand until someone can show me that he called all these pass plays I'll reserve judgement.

I'm not blindly supporting MM. If he is fired I will not have any issues with it. I do believe his game has gone stale and we could stand an infusion of enthusiasm and innovation. However, I don't like it when people try to condemn someone when they don't know all the facts.
Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago

First off let me say that I agree it is ridiculous that AJ only got 11 carries.

Originally Posted by: sschind 


Some interesting statistics:

Aaron Jones leads the league in rushing average at 6.4 yards per rush, narrowly edging out Nick Chubb at 6.2 yards per rush. Despite his productivity, he is only averaging 66.8 yards per game because he only has 84 touches on the season.

As a team, the Packers are tied for second in the league at 5.1 yards per rushing attempt, but they rank just 24th in the league for rushing attempts with 214 and are thus tied for 12th in rushing yardage at 1088 yards. They are tied with seven other teams for 13th in rushing touchdowns at 7. They rank 11th in rushing attempts per rushing touchdown at 30.6.

The Saints are averaging a rushing touchdown every 16.2 attempts, which is nothing short of phenomenal.
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First off let me say that I agree it is ridiculous that AJ only got 11 carries. He needs the ball in his hands more often especially in a close game. If we are down by 3 scores I can understand but we were leading in this game several times.

Second, what are these stats supposed to show? If it is anything other than we didn't run the ball on 3rd and short they may not tell the whole story. All they tell us is that we didn't run the ball on third and short. They don't tell us anything about the play that was called.

I Mike McCarthy calls a run Aaron Rodgers can change it to a pass. If Mike McCarthy calls a pass Aaron Rodgers can change it to a run. So unless someone tells us that Aaron Rodgers ran the plays that were called you can't necessarily blame them on MM.

Aaron Rodgers has said we need to get AJ more involved. If he was serious he could have changed some of these calls (assuming they were all called passes) to runs.

How many of those plays (assuming they were called passes) did Aaron Rodgers pass up an open man apparently looking for a deep shot? I don't care if we don't run the ball at all if the passes work. All that matters to me is that we move the ball and score. If Rodgers throws the ball to a wide open Jones on that 3rd and 5 at the Seattle 12 instead of passing him up and taking the sack we probably score a TD on that drive rather than a FG. That brings up another point of getting Jones involved one way or the other. If you don't hand the ball to him at least throw it to him but that is off on a tangent.

I'm not saying any of this in defense of Mike McCarthy and if he in fact called all these pass plays then yes, he is an idiot. On the other hand until someone can show me that he called all these pass plays I'll reserve judgement.

I'm not blindly supporting MM. If he is fired I will not have any issues with it. I do believe his game has gone stale and we could stand an infusion of enthusiasm and innovation. However, I don't like it when people try to condemn someone when they don't know all the facts.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



The stats are not intended to show anything. gbguy asked a question. How many short yard situations did GB run? I put the down the results for all short and medium 3rd downs. I didn't even add my own commentary. I am leaving it up to every to draw their own conclusion. It seems only right as we don't know anything about the play called or what Aaron Rodgers read when he came to the line.

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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
It just occurred to me that if he hasn't been kept on a pitch count all season, Aaron Jones probably would have been a shoo-in to win the 2018 rushing title.

Or he would have gone down with a season-ending injury. One of the two.
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gbguy20
6 years ago
Too bad his head coach forgets about him all the time
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sschind
6 years ago

The stats are not intended to show anything. gbguy asked a question. How many short yard situations did GB run? I put the down the results for all short and medium 3rd downs. I didn't even add my own commentary. I am leaving it up to every to draw their own conclusion. It seems only right as we don't know anything about the play called or what Aaron Rodgers read when he came to the line.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Fair enough and I did notice you didn't add personal commentary. I appreciate the stats and the effort. I wonder what gbguy20 meant by his "unbelievable" comment however.

I have a sneaking suspicion however that many fans will use this as "proof" that Mike McCarthy does not run the ball and that is what prompted my cautionary post.

gbguy20
6 years ago

Fair enough and I did notice you didn't add personal commentary. I appreciate the stats and the effort. I wonder what gbguy20 meant by his "unbelievable" comment however.

I have a sneaking suspicion however that many fans will use this as "proof" that Mike McCarthy does not run the ball and that is what prompted my cautionary post.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I assumed my prior post was clear, ill try again. I find it unbelievable that a team with a running back averaging over 6 yards per carry did not run the ball on 3rd and short even once all game. Doesn't matter who decided which play to run, I can't understand it. We should have been running it down their throats all night. Instead we gave up sack after sack and 3rd and didn't run it any other down either.
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sschind
6 years ago

I assumed my prior post was clear, ill try again. I find it unbelievable that a team with a running back averaging over 6 yards per carry did not run the ball on 3rd and short even once all game. Doesn't matter who decided which play to run, I can't understand it. We should have been running it down their throats all night. Instead we gave up sack after sack and 3rd and didn't run it any other down either.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I agree that they should have run more. I have always thought they needed to run more. However, it does matter who decided which play to run if you are trying to blame a particular person. For the record Jones averaged 3.6 yards per carry against the Seahawks not 6. The Seahawks are not the Dolphins.

gbguy20
6 years ago

I agree that they should have run more. I have always thought they needed to run more. However, it does matter who decided which play to run if you are trying to blame a particular person. For the record Jones averaged 3.6 yards per carry against the Seahawks not 6. The Seahawks are not the Dolphins.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



My posts in this thread have not tried to place blame on anyone. You are so annoyed with the antimccarthy crowd that you are ignoring the substance of an argument, or a stat, or a post for fear they may be blaming mike for something. Just relax.
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