15 years ago
Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:




Wow, seriously dude, THINK! Obviously if you are being taken down you secure the damn ball. Stop going to the damn extreme.
UserPostedImage
TheEngineer
15 years ago
I recall Rodgers, back in the Vikings game, where snap was inaccurate which forced Rodgers to retreat into his endzone, stumbling, reaching for the ball, and, while losing his balance, flipped it underhanded as far as he could in an attempt to throw it away.

The result, of course, was intentional grounding. Although I agree with Rodgers' decision here, there are of course situations where you simply cannot throw it away. It's not often as simple as taking a sack or getting an incompletion, as the issue of intentional grounding or illegible receivers compound the issue.

In the above scenario Rodgers did the right thing because taking a sack would have yielded a safety. However, if the QB have not shifted out of the pocket, and a defender is dragging him to the ground slowly, I would prefer the QB to take the sack and protect the ball, rather than try to hobble around and throw while taking a tumble. There's just too much risk in trying to make something out of pretty much nothing.

The real issue in my opinion here is about the timing. Suppose the QB has been brought up to go through his progressions quickly, and, failing to find anyone open, to throw it out of bounds (disregarding the effect of intentional grounding and throwing to illegible receivers). Although this generally means fewer interceptions, there's going to be a whole lot of chances that will never even materialise because the QB never gave the opportunity for a play to develop. Eli Manning probably never would have connected on that helmet catch if it weren't for the fact that he kept the play alive, and they would never have won the superbowl.

But then I think, what would I prefer Rodgers to do? Well at this stage in his career, I would rather Rodgers play it safe than attempt to make too many plays. So, in a way, I agree with both Z2C and MassPack. If Rodgers cannot find someone open, run it or throw it away immediately. Otherwise, if it looks like a sack is inevitable or he cannot get out of the pocket, lie down and protect the football, and don't try to throw it away.
blank
15 years ago

Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.

"SlickVision" wrote:




Wow, seriously dude, THINK! Obviously if you are being taken down you secure the damn ball. Stop going to the damn extreme.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



The "extreme" was the only situation I was suggesting. I wasn't saying you should take the sack as a rule. I don't really think we're disagreeing here... I admire your passion though.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:




Wow, seriously dude, THINK! Obviously if you are being taken down you secure the damn ball. Stop going to the damn extreme.

"SlickVision" wrote:



The "extreme" was the only situation I was suggesting. I wasn't saying you should take the sack as a rule. I don't really think we're disagreeing here... I admire your passion though.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



Ahh I see. Well, when I read that a QB is being told to take a sack, there wasn't anything specific tied to it so one can only believe it was a general rule. Which ... as I think I have made clear I completely disagree with.

Good stuff, thanks for the discussion, your passion is admired.
UserPostedImage
DarkaneRules
15 years ago
Rodgers, to me, has already proven he has what it takes. The question to be is really just staying healthy and effective. The mistakes he makes every QB makes. He just needs to make more plays like everyone else. Things like pocket awareness and reading defenses come with more experience.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
15 years ago
He did make one of the coolest plays of the year in his first game as a starter. 🙂 Spinning no look TD pass ftw. More of this please!

[youtube]WmLmKbSLnhc[/youtube]
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
15 years ago
Here is my thoughts in another nutshell.

Only the 2nd QB ever to pass for more than 4000 yards in this 1st season as a full-time starter. Speaks volumes. EVER.

Can you name the other QB to pull off the feat?
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
15 years ago
My first guess would be Marino?
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
15 years ago

My first guess would be Marino?

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



That would be correct.. he only started 11 games is rookie year.. 1984 Marino threw for over 5 grand.

Even Steve Young with all the experience he had didn't reach 4000 grand in passing his first starting year.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (6h) : Chiefs again huh? I guess another Super Bowl I'll be finding something else to do.
Mucky Tundra (16h) : Chiefs Eagles...again...sigh
dfosterf (17h) : Happy Birthday Dave!
Mucky Tundra (18h) : happy birthday dhazer
TheKanataThrilla (20h) : Exactly buck...Washington came up with the ball. It is just a shitty coincidence one week later
buckeyepackfan (20h) : I forgot, they corrected the call a week later. Lol btw HAPPY BIRTHDAY dhazer!
buckeyepackfan (20h) : That brings up the question, why wasn't Nixon down by contact? I think that was the point Kanata was making.
buckeyepackfan (20h) : Turnovers rule, win the turnover battle, win the game.
packerfanoutwest (20h) : well, he was
TheKanataThrilla (20h) : Eagles down by contact on the fumble....fuck you NFL
Mucky Tundra (21h) : I think this games over
beast (21h) : Eagles sure get a lot of fumbles on kickoffs
Mucky Tundra (21h) : This game looks too big for Washington
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : that being said, The Ravens are the Browns
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : Browns, Dolphins have longest AFC Championship droughts
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : As of today, Cowboys have longest NFC Championship drought,
beast (26-Jan) : Someone pointed out, with Raiders hiring Carroll, the division games between Carroll and Jim Harbaugh are back on (who can whine more games)
beast (26-Jan) : I'm confused, Pete Carroll and Brian Schottenheimer? When Todd Monken, Joe Brady, Kellen Moore, Kliff Kingsbury and Zac Robinson are availab
Zero2Cool (25-Jan) : Any reason I'm catching a shot here about my intelligence?
Martha Careful (25-Jan) : thank you Mucky for sticking up for me
Martha Careful (25-Jan) : some of those people are smarter than you zero. However Pete Carroll is not
Mucky Tundra (24-Jan) : Rude!
beast (24-Jan) : Martha? 😋
Zero2Cool (24-Jan) : Raiders hired someone from the elderly home.
dfosterf (24-Jan) : I'm going with a combination of the two.
beast (24-Jan) : Either the Cowboys have no idea what they're doing, or they're targeting their former OC, currently the Eagles OC
Zero2Cool (23-Jan) : Fake news. Cowboys say no
Zero2Cool (23-Jan) : Mystery candidate in the Cowboys head coaching search believed to be Packers ST Coordinator Rich Bisaccia.
beast (23-Jan) : Also why do both NYC teams have absolutely horrible OL for over a decade?
beast (23-Jan) : I wonder why the Jets always hire defensive coaches to be head coach
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Still HC positions available out there. I wonder if Hafley pops up for one
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Trent Baalke is out as the Jaguars GM.
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Jeff Hafley would have been a better choice, fortunately they don't know that. Someone will figure that out next off season
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Aaron Glenn Planning To Take Jets HC Job
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Martha- C'est mon boulot! 😁
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Thank you
wpr (22-Jan) : Z, glad you are feeling better.
wpr (22-Jan) : My son and D-I-L work for UM. It's a way to pick on them.
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Thank you. I rarely get sick, and even more rarely sick to the point I can't work.
wpr (22-Jan) : Beast- back to yesterday, I CAN say OSU your have been Michigan IF the odds of making the playoffs were more urgent.
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better.
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : I've been near death ill last several days, finally feel less dead and site issues.
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : It is a big deal. This host is having issues. It's frustrating.
Martha Careful (22-Jan) : just kidding...it was down
Martha Careful (22-Jan) : you were blocked yesterday, due to a a recalcitrant demeanor yesterday in the penalty box for a recalcitrant demeanor
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Was that site shutdown on your end or mine? No big deal, just curious
beast (21-Jan) : That way teams like Indiana and SMU don't make the conference championships by simply avoiding all the other good teams in their own confere
beast (21-Jan) : Also, with these "Super Conferences" instead of a single conference champion, have 4 teams make a Conference playoffs.
beast (21-Jan) : Also in college football, is a bye week a good or bad thing?
Martha Careful (21-Jan) : The tournament format was fine. Seeding could use some work.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

25-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

18-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

17-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

17-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

17-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

16-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.