nerdmann
6 years ago
Mike won't do this, but it's something that needs to be done. He needs to sit Aaron's ass on the bench and play Kizer, as long as Kizer adheres to "the system."

I mean yeah, Aaron is a HoF'er for sure. But he's not currently playing like one. More importantly, he is putting HIMSELF before the team.

Maybe Aaron DOES know better than Mike what they should be doing. And heck, maybe Aaron WOULDN'T go sandlot and start heaving it deep all the time. MAYBE. But that is beside the point.

It is not Aaron's place to be undermining the HC. Aaron's place is to EXECUTE. When other players see Aaron bucking the system, they figure it is OK to buck the system. Yet Aaron talks about how he has to "trust" all these guys.

But it's not just a matter of hypocrisy. It is a matter of general principle. If the HC sucks, it is not Aaron's place to replace him. That is the GM's job. Aaron's job is to play football and exhibit leadership within the organization.

Unfortunately Mike doesn't seem willing to stand up to Aaron. That unwillingness might cost him his job here. Worse, if a new HC is hired, THAT person will then have to deal with Aaron. Dude's attitude needs to be addressed, sooner or later. Or he will continue to "do his own thing."

Fortunately in the past we've had a GM who was willing to stand up to his diva all star QB. Perhaps SOMEONE in the organization will again.
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yooperfan
6 years ago
Too late, the Packers would look pretty silly benching the quarterback that they just handed the keys to Fort Knox two months ago.
They would be the laughing stock of the NFL.
They would be better off firing McCarthy right now today and hope McCarthy was the problem.
KRK
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6 years ago
Seriously...Do you think 12 is the problem?

Here’s the problem...He has been operating at a stratospheric level for so long we have come to take it for granted.

He has covered up so many deficiencies on this roster for years that when he plays a less than spectacular those deficiencies are glaring

This roster needs a lot of work, but not at the quarterback position.
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nerdmann
6 years ago

Seriously...Do you think 12 is the problem?

Here’s the problem...He has been operating at a stratospheric level for so long we have come to take it for granted.

He has covered up so many deficiencies on this roster for years that when he plays a less than spectacular those deficiencies are glaring

This roster needs a lot of work, but not at the quarterback position.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



He is A problem.

Another problem is, everyone thinks he is a great golden god and that he can do no wrong. Including Aaron himself.
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KRK
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6 years ago
Nerd, You have some of the most intelligent well thought out posts on the site, but you’re just wrong on this one. It is not a binary choice...have 12 be spectacular or sit him. He is a human. He is not perfect.

Can he play better, yes, should he be playing better, certainly. But In regard to the team, his contribution to the overall level of problems is relatively low.

If you want to sit him and tank the season, but certainly an option...But if we come back to reality it’s not going to happen.
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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
I was lying in bed last night thinking about this. My take is that if the Packers fall another two games out of the lead in the NFC North, their season will effectively be over and they should bench Rodgers at that point. Not to send a message or bring him to heel, but to let him get fully healthy for next season, when this roster will presumably be revamped. The man is clearly not operating at full strength, and all the hits he's taking (23 sacks so far this season!) are only slowing down his healing process. I don't see what there is to be gained from letting him take a beating that might reduce his effectiveness in future years. Let DeShone Kizer take his lumps and hone his skills in real-game action. That will give the front office a better feel for what they have in their backup quarterback . . . and it might even improve Green Bay's chances of sneaking into the top ten in next year's draft.

Now if both the Vikings and Bears collapse over the next few weeks and the Packers somehow pull it together, all bets are off and you keep Rodgers in there, obviously.
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beast
6 years ago
The problem is this system favors the team with the better depth and right now the Packers WRs depth is shity!

MM refuses to make adjustments to the scheme (I can't figure out why)...

But the Packers have Adams and since they cut Nelson lack a #2 WR! .... I mean give credit to MVS for fighting but their WR depth sucks!

If Kumerow gas talent, they needed him back last week, but they don't seem interested in bringing him back yet. And if Kumerow shows anything, I'm going to start thinking the Packers don't know what they're doing at WR, because they cut Nelson, kept Cobb and didn't bring Kumerow back as soon as possible.
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nerdmann
6 years ago

Nerd, You have some of the most intelligent well thought out posts on the site, but you’re just wrong on this one. It is not a binary choice...have 12 be spectacular or sit him. He is a human. He is not perfect.

Can he play better, yes, should he be playing better, certainly. But In regard to the team, his contribution to the overall level of problems is relatively low.

If you want to sit him and tank the season, but certainly an option...But if we come back to reality it’s not going to happen.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Thanks.

Check this out. We are 3-4-1 WITH AARON RODGERS. Know what I'm saying? Aaron is on pace to go 6-8-2. Is THAT what you want to risk?

FACT. This team has been preaching ACCOUNTABILITY. How does it make them look if they are not holding their star QB accountable? He is openly defying the HC and OC, and dragging this team down into the shitter in the process.

Hell, even if he was lighting it up, I would sit him down just out of general principle. There is a chain of command. Aaron Rodgers is NOT the GM. Aaron Rodgers is NOT the OC. He is also NOT the HC. Dude needs to accept his place. It also would not hurt him to shut his pie hole and focus on his own level of play.
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beast
6 years ago

He is openly defying the HC and OC, and dragging this team down into the shitter in the process.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



How he defying them? When has the HC ever held his own offense up to the standards?

The HC seems to be too busy bitching about the defense to notice he offense is a bigger pile of shit which is why he has failed to realize some adjustments are clearly needed...
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go.pack.go.
6 years ago
Maybe some have forgotten, but Aaron has been playing on 1 leg all year. Behind an OLine that sometimes can’t block a man in a wheelchair. And with rookie receivers that, prior to this year, he has no experience with.

On top of that, the refs caused us to tie against Minnesota. And two fumbles the last two weeks have effectively eliminated us from games that we very well could’ve won, against two of the best teams in the NFL. So there are 3 games right there that could’ve easily been 3 W’s, which would put us at 6-2.

Aaron isn’t the problem. Without Aaron, we would probably be 1-7 right now, maybe 0-8.

And I also have not seen him “open his pie hole” and make unnecessary comments. He’s taken the blame as much or more than he’s put the blame on someone else. This has been pure speculation and “reports” that you’re speaking of.
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