Cheesey
6 years ago
Things were different back in the 1800s. You might think Lincoln was a “dick”, but for his time he was swimming against the current. To try to judge him by today’s rules isn’t fair.
Fact is, he was president when slavery was abolished.
The northern states fought to end slavery, and many good people died.
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Smokey
6 years ago
The winners write history so as to place their "side" in the most favorable light. Slavery was only part of why the Southern States formed the Confederacy and seceded. Yet today it has become the whole reason for the separation.

The truth is that Northern States had a greater population than the Southern States and they had more seats to vote with in the House of Representatives. As a result the Northern States whose economies were based more in manufacturing had little understanding of the mostly agricultural economics of the Southern States.
Northern politicians could not see that the laws that they wanted to force upon the Southern States would send the South into an economic crisis. Also Southern States felt that the rights of the States should always override any federal laws. This State loyalty could readily be seen by the military units that fought in the Civil War. The 1st NC, the 2nd Texas, the 5th Alabama, or the 3rd VA were common military units that State Governors supplied to fight for the Confederacy. The Northern States did the same.
Lincoln did not sign the Emancipation Proclamation at the breakout of war with the South, but only after suffering repeated military defeats and he greatly needed the blacks to join and serve in the Union Army.

This is just some of what gets swept to the side when the winning side writes the history.

You should hear the British talk about how they won WW2 and the how Americans helped as little bit.
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Cheesey
6 years ago
Wasn’t slavery enough of a reason?
Even if there were other reasons, I’d say the slavery thing was pretty important, wouldn’t you?
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Smokey
6 years ago

Wasn’t slavery enough of a reason?
Even if there were other reasons, I’d say the slavery thing was pretty important, wouldn’t you?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



The full truth just buzzed over your head at 600 mph. As a result, again, you have failed to see beyond what you feel is important. History must be reported from the points of view of those that lived it. Slavery was indeed a cause for the Civil War, but at the time it was just one reason among many. The rights of the individual States to determine civil law, taxation, interstate commerce, and more was at stake.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago
The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries.

- James McPherson


James is right, you are wrong.
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Cheesey
6 years ago
Darn you Zero! There you go again, using FACTS! Don’t you know by now that you can’t do that?
You might cause Smokey’s head to explode!!!😂
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Smokey
6 years ago

The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries.

- James McPherson


James is right, you are wrong.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You get a "A" Zero, you have correctly repeated what you were taught. James McPherson is partly correct, but if you and Cheesey are happy with a set of incomplete facts that fit what you've always been told, then go ahead and drink that Kool-Aid.
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KRK
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6 years ago
There was nothing Civil about it. It was the War between the States...damn Yankees.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Cheesey
6 years ago

There was nothing Civil about it. It was the War between the States...damn Yankees.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Yeah!......damn Steinbrenner!😂
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Cheesey
6 years ago
Smokey...were you there during the (un)civil war?
How do you know that what you believe is more factual then what others have written? You choose to believe what those that you want to believe have written.
History that is recorded isn’t always what actually happened. The political beliefs and other things sway the writers view of history. The southern people’s writings would differ greatly from northern people’s writings.
So we (including you) really don’t know 100% what the truth is.
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
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beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
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beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
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