Bigbyfan
16 years ago
I like the guy and think he will be a very good player down the road, but my pick would be:

Tramon Williams- this is because many on this board say that he is already ready to start for this team, but he did allow a lot of big plays last year. He needs some more coaching and experience before he can be a dependable starter for this team, which I fully expect.
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ILikeThePackers39
16 years ago

Count me in with the "I don't see how BJack's overrated" group - I'd say he's the opposite and needs to be given more reps. Which leads me to...

"pack93z" wrote:



I have been waiting for this type of post, this is why I rank him in the overrated group.

In limited fresh carries later in games and against a hapless Lions defense he shined.. now the Bjack needs more carries train is rolling throughout the fan base..

Come to camp healthy and win your role young man.

BTW... I know it is a stretch to a point, but damn this Johnny come lately routine of us fans is sometimes tiring.. lol.

Grant was the next big thing last season, proved it over the course of a number of games, but now is dog crap.. ;)

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




Well, I think (probably) that I've been consistent on BJack - I thought he looked good all last year (not just against the Lions) and I was disappointed that he didn't get more touches, especially when Grant was struggling. Put simply, he ran angrier last season than Grant did, and when your line isn't giving you a lot of help you better run angry. I don't study film or scrutinize anything to the level that a lot of you folks do, but from what I recall, BJack was fighting for his inches and Grant was dropping at the first contact.

Which is actually not to say Grant is dog crap - he's a big strong guy with good speed, and there isn't any reason that he shouldn't do well this upcoming season. We don't need an AP-type back in our system, so if he and Jackson can rack up 1500+ between them I think we'll be sitting pretty.

And yes, RB is the one position I'm full of opinions on, since I used to play that position. :icon_smile:
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packersfan101101
16 years ago
jackson!!?? hes the best rb on the team and should be starting, If anything i think he is underrated. Id say most overated player is AJ hawk
brandon jackson is amazing
Rockmolder
16 years ago

Brady Poppinga overrated by the team and underrated by the fans.

"porky88" wrote:



I don't know. I agree with the underrated by fans part, but I don't know if he's overrated by the team. He's the first LB to come out in the nickel. Even while struggling, Barnett was in there the entire time it seemed.

I like to see him really have a break-out season. Maybe show some of his rushing skills. I truly believe he can be a good rotational guy at OLB and get some sacks in the progress.
dfosterf
16 years ago

Count me in with the "I don't see how BJack's overrated" group - I'd say he's the opposite and needs to be given more reps. Which leads me to...

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



I have been waiting for this type of post, this is why I rank him in the overrated group.

In limited fresh carries later in games and against a hapless Lions defense he shined.. now the Bjack needs more carries train is rolling throughout the fan base..

Come to camp healthy and win your role young man.

BTW... I know it is a stretch to a point, but damn this Johnny come lately routine of us fans is sometimes tiring.. lol.

Grant was the next big thing last season, proved it over the course of a number of games, but now is dog crap.. ;)

"pack93z" wrote:




Well, I think (probably) that I've been consistent on BJack - I thought he looked good all last year (not just against the Lions) and I was disappointed that he didn't get more touches, especially when Grant was struggling. Put simply, he ran angrier last season than Grant did, and when your line isn't giving you a lot of help you better run angry. I don't study film or scrutinize anything to the level that a lot of you folks do, but from what I recall, BJack was fighting for his inches and Grant was dropping at the first contact.

Which is actually not to say Grant is dog crap - he's a big strong guy with good speed, and there isn't any reason that he shouldn't do well this upcoming season. We don't need an AP-type back in our system, so if he and Jackson can rack up 1500+ between them I think we'll be sitting pretty.

And yes, RB is the one position I'm full of opinions on, since I used to play that position. :icon_smile:

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



It is not very often I disagree with you, as a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time that I did. What I remember is that Grant was hitting the line hard, yet not making gains, (I thought he ran VERY "angry") more often than I care for (the not making gains part). I saw definite improvement in Jackson, but I sure as heck understand why Grant got the carries. My gosh, people were calling for Jackson all last year...it reminded me of "popular back-up quarterback syndrome" more than reflective of his actual accomplishments. I still hearken back to the previous year when he WAS the "go to" guy, and FAILED. I blame neither Grant nor Jackson, but still want to re-emphasize what the coaches apparently already knew... our o-line cannot create a friggin' hole in the first place, and in those conditions, Grant is the better back. Throw a stat out if you like, but I'd submit that when Jackson was out there, the d was thinking pass.
dhazer
16 years ago
(this is towards MAsspackerfan and go.pack.go) why don't you guys stick to the topic? You just wait to find a way to defend your guy. I said he wasn't over rated in my mind because i didn't expect much from him and he played decent.
But then again i know you don't have me ignored lol. I'm also surprised how noone else has mentioned the FO or HC.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Rockmolder
16 years ago

It is not very often I disagree with you, as a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time that I did. What I remember is that Grant was hitting the line hard, yet not making gains, (I thought he ran VERY "angry") more often than I care for (the not making gains part). I saw definite improvement in Jackson, but I sure as heck understand why Grant got the carries. My gosh, people were calling for Jackson all last year...it reminded me of "popular back-up quarterback syndrome" more than reflective of his actual accomplishments. I still hearken back to the previous year when he WAS the "go to" guy, and FAILED. I blame neither Grant nor Jackson, but still want to re-emphasize what the coaches apparently already knew... our o-line cannot create a friggin' hole in the first place, and in those conditions, Grant is the better back. Throw a stat out if you like, but I'd submit that when Jackson was out there, the d was thinking pass.

"dfosterf" wrote:



Grant is better indeed, but I think we should utilize both. Or all 3. Or all 4 if Lumpkin is any good. Maybe he's one of the most overrated players aswell, he had one run in the regular season and people want him to be on the field already.
zombieslayer
16 years ago
Forgot to mention Bustin. I said last year he was a bust but got a lot of crap for that. They said too soon to call. Well, call me Zombiesladamus I guess.

We should have a prediction thread for how he gets injured this year. Here are a few possibilities:

1) Goes to answer telephone, trips, and tears his knee,
2) Steps on a banana peel and breaks his back,
3) Gets a severe concussion while falling off a horsie on a Merry-Go-Round,
4) While signing an autograph for Cheesey, he drops the pen, it bounces up, and hits him in the eye,
5) Ted Thompson kicks him in the ding ding for all the flack Ted Thompson gets on packershome.com because of him.
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Stevetarded
16 years ago

I like the guy and think he will be a very good player down the road, but my pick would be:

Tramon Williams- this is because many on this board say that he is already ready to start for this team, but he did allow a lot of big plays last year. He needs some more coaching and experience before he can be a dependable starter for this team, which I fully expect.

"Bigbyfan" wrote:



I agree, I couldn't believe people wanted to trade Al Harris this year and start Williams.
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TengoJuego
16 years ago
Anyone who was for getting rid of Al Harris was out of their minds. Seemed like everyone got in this trip that Al was a trouble maker on the field and couldn't keep his cool. Hes a hard player. He doesn't take anyone lightly and is a punch you in the mouth kind of guy. I LOVE having players like that on our Defense.
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